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[76.167.237.202]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f3sm1364595pat.31.2015.07.23.18.08.47 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E1F4813F-3A7B-49BA-9D83-BC710FEFEAEF"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: Eric Lombrozo In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:08:45 -0700 Message-Id: References: <55B113AF.40500@thinlink.com> <6F436293-9E2B-461C-B105-FC4CF9EBFC69@gmail.com> <42BF7FEB-320F-43BE-B3D9-1D76CB8B9975@gmai> <346D4CE0-E00D-4ABB-B131-EFA1416CB20C@me.com> <29363BE6-72A7-4D06-A974-C52BA12FD8BD@gmail.com> <55FFBC8F-A3C9-4109-89C7-AC359FBBD478@me.com> <4734381C-2000-4D9B-9099-DDE3D38D64A3@me.com> To: Jean-Paul Kogelman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Jean-Paul Kogelman via bitcoin-dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core and hard forks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 01:08:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E1F4813F-3A7B-49BA-9D83-BC710FEFEAEF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 By using third parties separate from individual miners that do bidding = on your behalf you get a mechanism that allows QoS guarantees and = shifting the complexity and risk from the wallet with little = computational resources to a service with abundance of them. Using = timelocked contracts it=E2=80=99s possible to enforce the guarantees. Negotiating directly with miners via smart contracts seems difficult at = best. > On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Jean-Paul Kogelman via bitcoin-dev = wrote: >=20 > Doesn't matter. >=20 > It's not going to be perfect given the block time variance among other = factors but it's far more workable than guessing whether or not your = transaction is going to end up in a block at all. >=20 > jp >=20 >=20 >> On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Peter Todd wrote: >>=20 >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA256 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 23 July 2015 20:49:20 GMT-04:00, Jean-Paul Kogelman via = bitcoin-dev wrote: >>>=20 >>> And it's obvious how a size cap would interfere with such a QoS = scheme. >>> Miners wouldn't be able to deliver the below guarantees if they have = to >>> start excluding transactions. >>=20 >> As mining is a random, poisson process, obviously giving guarantees = without a majority of hashing power isn't possible. >>=20 >>=20 >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>=20 >> iQE9BAEBCAAnIBxQZXRlciBUb2RkIDxwZXRlQHBldGVydG9kZC5vcmc+BQJVsYyK >> AAoJEMCF8hzn9Lnc47AH/28WlecQLb37CiJpcvXO9tC4zqYEodurtB9nBHTSJrug >> VIEXZW53pSTdd3vv2qpGIlHxuYP8QmDSATztwQLuN6XWEszz7TO8MXBfLxKqZyGu >> i83WqSGjMAfwqjl0xR1G7PJgt4+E+0vaAFZc98vLCgZnedbiXRVtTGjhofG1jjTc >> DFMwMZHP0eqWTwtWwqUvnA7PTFHxdqoJruY/t1KceN+JDbBCJWMxBDswU64FXcVH >> 0ecsk9nhLMyylBX/2v4HjCXyayocH8jQ+FpLSP0xxERyS+f1npFX9cxFMq24uXqn >> PcnZfLfaSJ6gMbmhbYG5wYDKN3u732j7dLzSJnMW6jk=3D >> =3DLY1+ >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev --Apple-Mail=_E1F4813F-3A7B-49BA-9D83-BC710FEFEAEF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVsZAdAAoJEJNAI64YFENUTOQQALouNoH2zb8nQb7krU1nFR7v BIz94c696aUIxk6XQLYRw90G6v+draqkkHKOXFcDcQp9d4Cgq0irAxHwtk8ssQXM xb9n9E8yovsG87866amKwK3q0ChVQJp+D6SueF1xtIwTpNQIpBcwjqdCTyzRm0zp 7JGwn5Rx6UC/fVjP07Wsdz1XMqFO1vZfFUWMlU2P4hz5I1C4LwPV4cNeDErZ9wEa vfyIt5+kVmaD3K16G4lbsURf8S5feSZtOVbHCIl85KkQRAMLR7jbpsERS8sDL/xE j8MWJ7xBNOySun6E7AW3tQAXkTqNAxlfE19zn0Dv7aWB4F1U/R6bdQBHdNd+5LUb 9TO/eHjmsmVk0pBE62D1UM0Z/V0UzqH6rn1wROSjIlyjAxEEoeZs3x+91I7xjC64 U/KbmnTKE7WsnZAOcuDlY8BvVqR7pn3AZX6CKtMwdBPAx/oAG1D/uDWQ3CSYk42I efbMG0eNfnCSWSouQ76ffCNeBfglOFj5pd7GbIPUAdQ9rdGDZdQ8q5ESC+1G0Lle +Wwv0OCATnfTGk9SbKcRXmQrZjr1twl6GVmEtXPI+NYBf2eMVQplpPpe8ljCPSFM NXWnZFoNh/JiZRsn+0qpavqTXu4oFSKHO0L4KUDWp1GatabYDz+iLMztDDgNSFE3 yWo5foLTHT9Rra4GYwZw =RVAm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_E1F4813F-3A7B-49BA-9D83-BC710FEFEAEF--