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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposed BIP 70 extension
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Ok, wanting structured data is a decent argument, but why this random arbitr=
ary case in particular? There are hundreds of fields like this that people m=
ight want to use.=20

If we're going to support one random cosmetic field, we might as well suppor=
t them all with a generic structured data format.=20

I'd rather we just didn't have this essentially pointless "feature" at all. L=
et's try and keep as much cruft as possible out of the payment protocol. The=
 textual memo field is already more than sufficient.=20

> On Jun 24, 2014, at 11:48, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com> wrote:
>=20
> I think there is nothing wrong with having a numeric memo field, which
> is effectively what this is.  Structured rather than unstructured
> data.

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Ok, wanting structured data is a decen=
t argument, but why this random arbitrary case in particular? There are hund=
reds of fields like this that people might want to use.&nbsp;</div><div><br>=
</div><div>If we're going to support one random cosmetic field, we might as w=
ell support them all with a generic structured data format.&nbsp;</div><div>=
<br></div><div>I'd rather we just didn't have this essentially pointless "fe=
ature" at all. Let's try and keep as much cruft as possible <i>out </i>of th=
e payment protocol. The textual memo field is already more than sufficient.&=
nbsp;</div><div><br>On Jun 24, 2014, at 11:48, Jeff Garzik &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:jgarzik@bitpay.com">jgarzik@bitpay.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><span>I think there is nothing wrong with having a num=
eric memo field, which</span><br><span>is effectively what this is. &nbsp;St=
ructured rather than unstructured</span><br><span>data.</span></blockquote><=
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