From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGtJ-0002hl-NE for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 01:26:29 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of hotmail.com designates 65.55.111.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=65.55.111.172; envelope-from=slashdevnull@hotmail.com; helo=blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com; Received: from blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.111.172]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1WOGtI-0001lJ-Lt for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 01:26:29 +0000 Received: from BLU402-EAS323 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 13 Mar 2014 18:26:23 -0700 X-TMN: [IzSXt7HS+7dbSkxBqk0Wd42A6XIoFa1I] X-Originating-Email: [slashdevnull@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Un Ix MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:26:19 +0800 References: <52852C2D.9020103@gmail.com> <52853D8A.6010501@monetize.io> <20140313160850.GW3180@nl.grid.coop> To: Troy Benjegerdes In-Reply-To: <20140313160850.GW3180@nl.grid.coop> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2014 01:26:23.0261 (UTC) FILETIME=[69279CD0:01CF3F24] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (slashdevnull[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.111.172 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1WOGtI-0001lJ-Lt Cc: Bitcoin Dev , Wendell Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 01:26:29 -0000 Second this comment. A change like this so soon after mt gox debacle would be one more sign of bi= tcoins 'instability' for skeptics and average folk who read only headlines. In general, it seems some people are looking to try and change the publics m= ental price of BTC which is more of a non-technical challenge.=20 Gavin > On 14/03/2014, at 12:21 am, "Troy Benjegerdes" wrote: >=20 > >=20 > Every volatility bump messes up expectations of what a bitcoin is worth, > so why are we bikeshedding uBTC vs mBTC? Just be done with it and do mBTC > now, and plan uBTC for just after the next price spike to $10KUSD or whate= ver,=20 > and then plan on rolling back to mBTC when the price crashes from altcoin > money supply inflation competition. >=20 >=20 >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 09:45:54AM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: >> >>=20 >> Based on this seeming consensus, BitPay was headed towards uBTC >> internally, and hoped to coordinate messaging and rollout with others >> in the community. Ah well, proceed apace, and Bitcoin Wallet will >> catch up, I suppose. >>=20 >> Multiple unit changes negatively impact users, but we are already there := / >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Wladimir wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote= : >>>>=20 >>>> Resurrecting this topic. Bitcoin Wallet moved to mBTC several weeks >>>> ago, which was disappointing -- it sounded like the consensus was >>>> uBTC, and moving to uBTC later --which will happen-- may result in >>>> additional user confusion, thanks to yet another decimal place >>>> transition. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I've kind of given up getting any consensus about this, or even getting >>> people to care. >>>=20 >>> Everyone agrees that a decimal shift would be good, but it's the same bo= ring >>> shed painting discussion every time on how many decimals. In the end not= hing >>> happens. >>>=20 >>> I can't really blame Andreas for finally taking action and making the ch= ange >>> to mBTC. People in the community are familiar with mBTC because some >>> exchanges and price sites used mBTC (at least for a while when >$1000), a= lso >>> mBTC seems to be catching on on reddit etc. >>>=20 >>> Moving to muBTC (which in itself would be better because it is the final= >>> unit change ever needed without hardfork) would require more coordinated= >>> education effort. >>>=20 >>> Wladimir >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jeff Garzik >> Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist >> BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/ >>=20 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- >> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book >> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and thei= r >> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, >> this first edition is now available. 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