From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DE7E71F for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:21:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com (mail-pd0-f179.google.com [209.85.192.179]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF45419D for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pdbbh15 with SMTP id bh15so134604pdb.1 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:21:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=3NndT76ahNzwLfT/y4O8DBNT/umXNdafMMBfmf2Cjrg=; b=kAv2YTwJaewi8Hx9ayyLGTk59hF0D5hovKYiuW1hKLAVFR0Zg+XLE30pwpVbNy+99+ 9GTNUXs5gs5HQq0/gWeadJnG8TEa84zAzFPkMovhYEM1ZqFo5g0VX5ehUDzTuavUZboD MbFVm2TWKtmGWWalG8bcPggysku8ibHTHa3fEuEOKYvpkaaNhC3XiTBa1y2r8fKzo/ch NFpzFA6lYacTMuRbJv3JrC6FWcLvr50rwQCRxioAawiPTKFZJputGlRyEULSPdho8srU Qo+aPRxRSo8iKxarLD6p2D+NV6HDPZpMTZYf6anMDjQ3U496COwJn2vGJgcoQsusDz3P xkXw== X-Received: by 10.66.55.3 with SMTP id n3mr20873524pap.58.1437675689599; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.107] (cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com. [76.167.237.202]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ok17sm10230764pdb.26.2015.07.23.11.21.27 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_41289139-49EF-4329-A8B9-CB3E57DF4011"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: Eric Lombrozo X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:21:25 -0700 Message-Id: References: <55B113AF.40500@thinlink.com> To: Robert Learney X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core and hard forks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:21:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_41289139-49EF-4329-A8B9-CB3E57DF4011 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7BA288CB-7143-4C2D-BDF5-8B3F2B93485A" --Apple-Mail=_7BA288CB-7143-4C2D-BDF5-8B3F2B93485A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Robert Learney via bitcoin-dev = wrote: >=20 > That=E2=80=99s not exactly what=E2=80=99s happened though, is it = Cipher? Gavin put forward 20Mb then after analysis and discussion has = moved to 8Mb, whereas the other camp of core developers is firmly stuck = in the =E2=80=981Mb or bust=E2=80=99 group. The issue isn=E2=80=99t really whether it=E2=80=99s 1MB or 2MB or 4MB or = 8MB or whatever. First of all, the burden of justifying this change = should be on those proposing a hardfork. The default is to not have a = hard fork. Second of all, it=E2=80=99s not really about *whether* the = block size is increased=E2=80=A6but about *when* and *how* it is = increased. There=E2=80=99s a good argument to be made that right now it = is more important to address issues such as the fact that validation is = so expensive (which as others and myself have pointed out has led to a = collapse of the security model in the past, requiring manual = intervention to temporarily =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D)=E2=80=A6and the fact = that we don=E2=80=99t yet have great solutions to dealing with fees, = which are a crucial component of the design of the protocol. --Apple-Mail=_7BA288CB-7143-4C2D-BDF5-8B3F2B93485A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Robert Learney via bitcoin-dev = <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

That=E2=80=99s not exactly what=E2=80=99s = happened though, is it Cipher? Gavin put forward 20Mb then after = analysis and discussion has moved to 8Mb, whereas the other camp of core = developers is firmly stuck in the =E2=80=981Mb or bust=E2=80=99 = group.

The = issue isn=E2=80=99t really whether it=E2=80=99s 1MB or 2MB or 4MB or 8MB = or whatever. First of all, the burden of justifying this change should = be on those proposing a hardfork. The default is to not have a hard = fork. Second of all, it=E2=80=99s not really about *whether* the block = size is increased=E2=80=A6but about *when* and *how* it is increased. = There=E2=80=99s a good argument to be made that right now it is more = important to address issues such as the fact that validation is so = expensive (which as others and myself have pointed out has led to a = collapse of the security model in the past, requiring manual = intervention to temporarily =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D)=E2=80=A6and the fact = that we don=E2=80=99t yet have great solutions to dealing with fees, = which are a crucial component of the design of the = protocol.
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