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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@exmulti.com>
To: Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Service bits for pruned nodes
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 09:46:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+8xBpcN0Oz8yyAPRbs-Nfrgcnq8T-ANdF5aro54KkTTs9ZfNg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPg+sBjSe23eADMxu-1mx0Kg2LGkN+BSNByq0PtZcMxAMh0uTg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I think it is time to move forward with pruning nodes, i.e. nodes that fully
> validate and relay blocks and transactions, but which do not keep (all)
> historic blocks around, and thus cannot be queried for these.
>
> The biggest roadblock is making sure new and old nodes that start up are
> able to find nodes to synchronize from. To help them find peers, I would
> like to propose adding two extra service bits to the P2P protocol:
> * NODE_VALIDATE: relay and validate blocks and transactions, but is only
> guaranteed to answer getdata requests for (recently) relayed blocks and
> transactions, and mempool transactions.
> * NODE_BLOCKS_2016: can be queried for the last 2016 blocks, but without
> guarantee for relaying/validating new blocks and transactions.
> * NODE_NETWORK (which existed before) will imply NODE_VALIDATE and guarantee
> availability of all historic blocks.

In general, I support this, as anybody on IRC knows.

Though it does seem to open the question about snapshotting.

Personally, it seems important to enable running a fully validating
node, that may bootstrap from a UTXO snapshot + all blocks since that
snapshot.

NODE_BLOCKS_2016, in particular, is too short.  For users, I've seen
plenty of use cases in the field where you start a network sync after
a 2-week period.

Set a regular interval for creating a UTXO snapshot, say 3 months
(6*2016 blocks), and serve all blocks after that snapshot.  For older
nodes, they would contact an archive node or torrent for >3 month
blocks, and then download normally <= 3 month blocks (if the archive
node didn't serve up to present day).

Where are we on nailing down a stable, hash-able UTXO serialization?

-- 
Jeff Garzik
exMULTI, Inc.
jgarzik@exmulti.com



  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-05-01 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-28 15:51 [Bitcoin-development] Service bits for pruned nodes Pieter Wuille
2013-04-28 16:29 ` Mike Hearn
2013-04-28 16:44   ` Pieter Wuille
2013-04-28 16:57     ` Mike Hearn
2013-05-03 12:30       ` Pieter Wuille
2013-05-03 14:06         ` Mike Hearn
2013-05-03 14:18           ` Peter Todd
2013-05-03 15:02             ` Mike Hearn
2013-05-03 15:11               ` Peter Todd
2013-05-04 18:07                 ` John Dillon
2013-05-04 18:55                   ` Jeff Garzik
2013-05-05 13:12                     ` John Dillon
2013-05-06  8:19                       ` Mike Hearn
2013-05-06 13:13                         ` Pieter Wuille
2013-04-28 19:50   ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-04-29  2:57     ` John Dillon
2013-04-29  3:36       ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-04-29  3:42         ` Robert Backhaus
2013-04-29  3:48         ` John Dillon
2013-04-29  3:55           ` Peter Todd
2013-04-29  6:10             ` Jay F
     [not found]               ` <CAFBxzACw=G7UgG853zQrM-Z1-B4VqSQR5YUJQ5n1=wnv7EyWsw@mail.gmail.com>
2013-04-30 16:14                 ` [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: " Rebroad (sourceforge)
2013-04-30 18:04                   ` Jeff Garzik
2013-04-30 19:27                     ` Andy Parkins
2013-04-30 19:31                       ` Simon Barber
2013-04-30 20:11                       ` Jeff Garzik
2013-05-01 14:05                         ` Andy Parkins
2013-05-01 14:26                           ` Jeff Garzik
2013-05-01 14:34                             ` Andy Parkins
2013-04-30 20:06                     ` [Bitcoin-development] " Brenton Camac
2013-05-01 13:46 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2013-05-16 11:26 Ricardo Filipe
2013-05-16 15:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2013-05-16 16:23   ` Ricardo Filipe

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