From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212CDC002D for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 06:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E802860A9B for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 06:51:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org E802860A9B Authentication-Results: smtp3.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20210112 header.b=O7R0FgJ4 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QZQ1oAJr9AtN for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 06:51:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org 811B1607A4 Received: from mail-yb1-xb30.google.com (mail-yb1-xb30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 811B1607A4 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 06:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-xb30.google.com with SMTP id r3so4099981ybr.6 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 23:51:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7Hd2fVUcFPm0dBbrj/1FGCUi21EI/y2OnCuIkjDTRiM=; b=O7R0FgJ4wzqDXjDLBJ7+MQ4p8jVaTLlo7coxe7EIq7HsOYZiSY9Jp21yMnb7rx+pMo hvN+o5r/9Wu+x2C74P/nKDAsMEqvxMi6zzU97zEG6UQTXtMA/oO0IYLQIibn+Ou6shzH iLrZSbsD5Je0/uG20fHaX1mJqoMiMJT/MWW5c82z0wT41qvtZJL49avoVXSBIWTEyTig llaahEfLRVadlzp0+BrzNO3AW+BaTQgFPhkV+uGdsMB0YcdabeuGRtugZqQm/LGO+T+x WuGStT5pX4Nyf57+MFNYg/5zPzDFqS5b3cZa9PJlCIDuZ0MgdHK1ggGyIg0ArkuSRG7l YR0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7Hd2fVUcFPm0dBbrj/1FGCUi21EI/y2OnCuIkjDTRiM=; b=BdnXAnO07sECDoZN4incOLiTRaZkC0OZkhBCrMhBftKvvlJ6N9fVlG2SrRkaOLZbYZ 5qMeJCZi1XA6KwZZQuA7SzImiZKlN1//JNIy7gMIKvsEKaU/gA3YKSIedjz2MLXWkPBG c+bKL1AuJLRNlQyMqOGiZ81ml+NrmxjowTVHkyfQFwnud4P7IiVz1Eo6h+S93uFCN3cU 7Qt8gtbiT3ZfrGIBFV34wIEb7H+EtejqOGTDkLJCKht7TVsvoI57Cmi+M/UAgzAUFKGt J3O2xSba73+zxMVYn9k+vFubIya+9Poj2JChidVTALNMQjQgS+6xR294q+DjhO3qtTNi XFWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/59/6AQcnCWA6zw0zjg+6jk5mZ3IdbDKE4AvFC9pwV8cNduCP0 GS2lIavRezu52ibPSU0Uf4y4kFcqx2x5ntlF5Owwgkrsjhw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1sJZniXsXcKPp2av+rQH/LfoPhfn+CE+V1SmPdlbBwFVE31Wpv3Y3ecoISTORiTuwgNZLZRIFyhsYfAcVkX9x4= X-Received: by 2002:a25:8f8e:0:b0:66e:7f9a:1915 with SMTP id u14-20020a258f8e000000b0066e7f9a1915mr11825391ybl.412.1657435912400; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 23:51:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: naman naman Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 10:54:16 +0400 Message-ID: To: Peter Todd Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cbf25c05e36ddedd" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 09:04:27 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Surprisingly, Tail Emission Is Not Inflationary X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 06:51:55 -0000 --000000000000cbf25c05e36ddedd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello , Thanks for the correction - it however boils down to the same principle : diluting other holders, possibly excessively, if you miscalculate the coins "lost". Which boils down to the same question again : How would you definitively know that coins are "lost" or simply not accessed for x amount of time? Regards, thenoblebot On Sat, 9 Jul, 2022, 9:48 pm Peter Todd, wrote: > On Sat, Jul 09, 2022 at 09:43:49PM +0400, naman naman wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This approach raises the obvious question : If someone hasn't had access > to > > their coins in a long time (yrs, decades, however you want to define it) > - > > and they wish to access/move them after such a time - isn't your proposal > > simply taking away their ability to do so? Some might call it : stealing > > their coins. > > > > How does one conclusively prove that "lost" coins are "lost forever"? > > Re-read the article: > https://petertodd.org/2022/surprisingly-tail-emission-is-not-inflationary > > It has nothing to do with re-assigning ownership of coins. > > -- > https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org > --000000000000cbf25c05e36ddedd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello ,=C2=A0

Thanks for the correction - it however boils down to the same principle := diluting other holders, possibly excessively, if you miscalculate the coin= s "lost".

Whic= h boils down to the same question again : How would you definitively know t= hat coins are "lost" or simply not accessed for x amount of time?=

Regards,=C2=A0
thenoblebot=C2=A0

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On Sat, 9 Jul, 2022, 9:48 pm Peter To= dd, <pete@petertodd.org> wr= ote:
On Sat, Jul 09, 2022 at 09:43:= 49PM +0400, naman naman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This approach raises the obvious question : If someone hasn't had = access to
> their coins in a long time (yrs, decades, however you want to define i= t) -
> and they wish to access/move them after such a time - isn't your p= roposal
> simply taking away their ability to do so? Some might call it : steali= ng
> their coins.
>
> How does one conclusively prove that "lost" coins are "= lost forever"?

Re-read the article: https://petertodd.org/2022/surprisingly-tail-emission-is-not-inflation= ary

It has nothing to do with re-assigning ownership of coins.

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https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
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