From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F5CC0001 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5854ECED for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:12:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ta4iNNU3NGVP for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:12:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 299AE4637F for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com with SMTP id h82so2244056ybc.13 for ; Fri, 05 Mar 2021 07:12:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KuNHQDKEXZCuAKEFC2dTY5QrKV4fDbFJGBM/YqfXh/k=; b=s3V+dwviC+6bVnjTkflY6pfvWRkyA4Ur5pRPgskJR1haumm7p0rpnaj2O37XrzELfu nH7//nhB0gZUisKBKaBzBCN07FPcl26DUs0pZxStPSsHHfM34eGUgsPvrkBFPfz/7mXy asM4I9EXBpy4V1OZeQEietiJfHQE/hGhYKS/xFcz+bnKMVL86b1RcIucEoJakRH/pcXK 1W2o3kYMEMMKTWTV4AR0xt2DOlkzl+DReDuje37qC47ZqB5W+vRnK8PzG1wvBMcu5eIW 4ovZTSvOo7EwzQl2IRKfRUk9NY08EPDNkW9GidkVV3cuNPwiMOgiHG09I0n7ZdkCpo8Y +y+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KuNHQDKEXZCuAKEFC2dTY5QrKV4fDbFJGBM/YqfXh/k=; b=YH/k4TH497ZuSOrOyQFfIYn/QvstN0jedBWXYQOwSy61ICjjut7ZnVehEnnpuKvkei 78M7VruC39H033yenP4ElUcnOeAnyOhs3nTmsOwqycKWGCNA67mpVVe5J3sg+C7mhaYg yYHt5NwcC8TmXabpbYz2EhPJI9RMtJd+9q4RipD7d7x+CbLFjBKKggqaql/3o46RdjgC ydhgdrhfp+/jyJ1jr6ZarhC/ERkSM0713xxfrDeSlR426jynUjapB71Gl/cUapCEBHBC QGq2tHJORD044Nt7efSQmkbousN6AHDnOzcZxbqou6/Amzx6pgLyuhSOlw4RXt1cN78C f+wQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532pXONV42gFt/BUgug5aX90y26+zUEgVkQYVCHFetCwY3gIn4uF hVRN6WjTxQVaofuBo/5Qdr2GQfMRVtudsSH2qCxzaody X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyE/G9IAF5OgI4PXd2J9a4hzHJxieAVr7/tV6zrrGDdC/gSSd7f82psA9nyBrU4d5yL7KtAD1mPMDqpPcMJ2Pk= X-Received: by 2002:a25:d704:: with SMTP id o4mr13492298ybg.6.1614957152045; Fri, 05 Mar 2021 07:12:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Lonero Foundation Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 10:12:19 -0500 Message-ID: To: Devrandom Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000600e7005bccb83cb" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 05 Mar 2021 15:30:16 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2021 15:12:34 -0000 --000000000000600e7005bccb83cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, this isn't about the energy efficient argument in regards to renewables or mining devices but a better cryptography layer to get the most out of your hashing for validation. I do understand the arbitrariness of it, but do want to still propose a document. Do I use the Media Wiki format on GitHub and just attach it as my proposal? Best regards, Andrew On Fri, Mar 5, 2021, 10:07 AM Devrandom wrote: > Hi Ryan and Andrew, > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 5:42 AM Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> >> https://www.truthcoin.info/blog/pow-cheapest/ >> "Nothing is Cheaper than Proof of Work" >> on | 04 Aug 2015 >> >> > Just to belabor this a bit, the paper demonstrates that the mining market > will tend to expend resources equivalent to miner reward. It does not > prove that mining work has to expend *energy* as a primary cost. > > Some might argue that energy expenditure has negative externalities and > that we should move to other resources. I would argue that the negative > externalities will go away soon because of the move to renewables, so the > point is likely moot. > > --000000000000600e7005bccb83cb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, this isn't about the energy efficient argument in= regards to renewables or mining devices but a better cryptography layer to= get the most out of your hashing for validation. I do understand the arbit= rariness of it, but do want to still propose a document. Do I use the Media= Wiki format on GitHub and just attach it as my proposal?
=
Best regards, Andrew

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021,= 10:07 AM Devrandom <c1.dev= random@niftybox.net> wrote:
=
Hi Ryan and Andrew,

On Fri, Mar = 5, 2021 at 5:42 AM Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

=C2=A0 https://www.truthcoin.info= /blog/pow-cheapest/
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Nothing is Cheaper than Proof of Work"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 on | 04 Aug 2015


Just to belabor this a bit, the paper = demonstrates that the mining market will tend to expend resources equivalen= t to miner reward.=C2=A0 It does not prove that mining work has to expend *= energy* as a primary cost.

Some might argue th= at energy expenditure has negative externalities and that we should move to= other resources.=C2=A0 I would argue that the negative externalities will = go away soon because of the move to renewables, so the point is likely moo= t.=C2=A0

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