From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1X6yPL-00029y-SG for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 08:48:19 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.223.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.178; envelope-from=laanwj@gmail.com; helo=mail-ie0-f178.google.com; Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com ([209.85.223.178]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1X6yPK-0000LJ-4X for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 08:48:19 +0000 Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id tp5so4273039ieb.9 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 01:48:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.32.73 with SMTP id g9mr4273105igi.31.1405414092809; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 01:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.135.66 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 01:48:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 10:48:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: Wladimir To: Jeff Garzik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (laanwj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1X6yPK-0000LJ-4X Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin address TTL & key expiration? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 08:48:20 -0000 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Wladimir wrote: > There are major gaps that the payment protocol doesn't cover. > > There are several deployed use cases where you are provided/request an > address, an API provides one, and one or more incoming payments arrive > as the user sends them over minutes/hours/days/weeks. Couldn't these services return a payment message instead of an address? I agree that there is currently an UI issue here: there is no way in current wallets to store a payment message and pay to it later. We will need something like that for recurring payments as well. Bitcoin addresses were never designed with extensibility in mind. Before the payment protocol there have been lots of ideas to add functionality to them, but the underlying idea that they have to be handled by users manually means that they have to be as short as possible, which is a conflicting aim with extensibility... Wladimir