From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VoqvD-0001LB-EF for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 08:38:03 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.45; envelope-from=laanwj@gmail.com; helo=mail-bk0-f45.google.com; Received: from mail-bk0-f45.google.com ([209.85.214.45]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1VoqvC-0001qr-E2 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 08:38:03 +0000 Received: by mail-bk0-f45.google.com with SMTP id mx13so178723bkb.18 for ; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 00:37:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.205.105.3 with SMTP id do3mr699115bkc.86.1386319075984; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 00:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.69.197 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 00:37:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52A139F0.2080401@petersson.at> References: <52A139F0.2080401@petersson.at> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 09:37:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: Wladimir To: Andreas Petersson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041fa2a911ed6104ecd990f0 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (laanwj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: petersson.at] 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1VoqvC-0001qr-E2 Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Temporary fee fix X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 08:38:03 -0000 --f46d041fa2a911ed6104ecd990f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Andreas Petersson wrote: > I know we should all be brainstorming and working on a new fee market. > But fact is, it will still take some time and in the meantime users will > continue to shout insults at us for the high "fixed" fee of 0,1 mBtc. > Even banks sometimes have less fees. (1 of 5 Play Store reviews of > Mycelium seem to mention high fees recently) > > My suggestion: until the market is established let's lower the minimum > relay fee per kb to something less. 0,01 mBtc comes to mind. (of course > pulling this number out of thin air) > This was considered (see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3305) but deemed to risky for 0.8.6 at the last moment, see the linked pull request for details. It will go into 0.9, at least if the full floating fee implementation isn't yet ready and deemed safe by then. Wladimir --f46d041fa2a911ed6104ecd990f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Andreas Petersson <= ;andreas@petersso= n.at> wrote:
I know we should all be brainstorming and working on a new= fee market.
But fact is, it will still take some time and in the meantime users will continue to shout insults at us for the high "fixed" fee of 0,1 m= Btc.
Even banks sometimes have less fees. (1 of 5 Play Store reviews of
Mycelium seem to mention high fees recently)

My suggestion: until the market is established let's lower the minimum<= br> relay fee per kb to something less. 0,01 mBtc comes to mind. (of course
pulling this number out of thin air)

Th= is was considered (see=C2=A0https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3305) but deemed to r= isky for 0.8.6 at the last moment, see the linked pull request for details.=

It will go into 0.9, at least if the full floatin= g fee implementation isn't yet ready and deemed safe by then.

Wladimir

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