[Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Wladimir]

Hello,

I haven't heard of any new issues with either Bitcoin Core 0.9.2rc1 or
0.9.2rc2. This means that it is time to tag 0.9.2 final.

If you have a critical issue that you haven't reported yet please let
me know as soon as possible. If I do not hear anything, I will do a
last-minute language import and tag the release at the end of the
(UTC) day so that gitian builds can be started.

Corrections to the release notes
(https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0.9.2/doc/release-notes.md)
should also be submitted before then.

Thanks,
Wladimir

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Pavel Janík]

Wladimir,

On Jun 13, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Wladimir wrote:

> If I do not hear anything, I will do a last-minute language import

this import can actually break things. I'd avoid it.
-- 
Pavel Janík

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Wladimir]

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It cannot, it is just data.

Wladimir

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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Pavel Janík]

On Jun 13, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Wladimir wrote:

> It cannot, it is just data.

The (new) data can break user interface (at least).
-- 
Pavel Janík

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[xor]

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On Friday, June 13, 2014 12:18:37 PM Wladimir wrote:
> If I do not hear anything, I will do a
> last-minute language import

High risk projects as Bitcoin should NOT see ANY changes between release 
candidates and releases.

You can cause severe havoc with ANY changes. Humans make mistakes!
Please do not do such things!
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Matt Whitlock]

On Friday, 13 June 2014, at 9:24 pm, xor wrote:
> On Friday, June 13, 2014 12:18:37 PM Wladimir wrote:
> > If I do not hear anything, I will do a
> > last-minute language import
> 
> High risk projects as Bitcoin should NOT see ANY changes between release
> candidates and releases.
> 
> You can cause severe havoc with ANY changes. Humans make mistakes!
> Please do not do such things!

Agreed. Does Bitcoin Core not have a release cycle policy? Typically mission-critical projects will enter a code and resource freeze prior to tagging a release candidate, after which point only critical bugfixes are allowed into the release branch. A language translation update does not qualify as a critical bugfix and should be merged during the next release cycle.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Jeff Garzik]

On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 3:24 PM, xor <xor@freenetproject.org> wrote:
> On Friday, June 13, 2014 12:18:37 PM Wladimir wrote:
>> If I do not hear anything, I will do a
>> last-minute language import
>
> High risk projects as Bitcoin should NOT see ANY changes between release
> candidates and releases.
>
> You can cause severe havoc with ANY changes. Humans make mistakes!
> Please do not do such things!

As a general principle, I agree.  Other projects have translation
freeze points to address this.  Although it is a small holistic risk,
in theory, someone could maliciously change strings at the last minute
in a language maintainers don't know well.

-- 
Jeff Garzik
Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist
BitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Wladimir]

On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com> wrote:
> As a general principle, I agree.  Other projects have translation
> freeze points to address this.  Although it is a small holistic risk,
> in theory, someone could maliciously change strings at the last minute
> in a language maintainers don't know well.

I was just doing what was always done. In practice, the translations
follow a very different cycle than the rest of the code. Entering
translations as well as reviewing them happens inside Transifex.

Sure, someone could "maliciously change strings". It's typical that
this little bikeshedding topic attracts so much attention.

But if it makes all of you happy I won't do the translation update.

Wladimir

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Un Ix]

How about a prize for anyone who can spot any "malicious" strings within next hour?

;-)

> On 14/06/2014, at 1:32 pm, "Wladimir" <laanwj@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com> wrote:
>> As a general principle, I agree.  Other projects have translation
>> freeze points to address this.  Although it is a small holistic risk,
>> in theory, someone could maliciously change strings at the last minute
>> in a language maintainers don't know well.
> 
> I was just doing what was always done. In practice, the translations
> follow a very different cycle than the rest of the code. Entering
> translations as well as reviewing them happens inside Transifex.
> 
> Sure, someone could "maliciously change strings". It's typical that
> this little bikeshedding topic attracts so much attention.
> 
> But if it makes all of you happy I won't do the translation update.
> 
> Wladimir
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Matt Whitlock]

On Saturday, 14 June 2014, at 1:42 pm, Un Ix wrote:
> How about a prize for anyone who can spot any "malicious" strings within next hour?

I think it's more an issue of accidental breakage than any maliciousness. One character in the wrong place in a language bundle somewhere can make the difference between success and runtime failure, and it may not be immediately apparent when running in unaffected locales. This kind of problem isn't likely to result in data loss (or money loss, where money is data, is in Bitcoin), but it could be enough to necessitate scrapping the whole release, which would look bad and prompt users to question the dev team's quality control process.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Un Ix]

Was joking, but isn't the translation process back-ended with runtime tests to ensure that any stray chars etc cause the application to fail?

> On 14/06/2014, at 1:49 pm, "Matt Whitlock" <bip@mattwhitlock.name> wrote:
> 
>> On Saturday, 14 June 2014, at 1:42 pm, Un Ix wrote:
>> How about a prize for anyone who can spot any "malicious" strings within next hour?
> 
> I think it's more an issue of accidental breakage than any maliciousness. One character in the wrong place in a language bundle somewhere can make the difference between success and runtime failure, and it may not be immediately apparent when running in unaffected locales. This kind of problem isn't likely to result in data loss (or money loss, where money is data, is in Bitcoin), but it could be enough to necessitate scrapping the whole release, which would look bad and prompt users to question the dev team's quality control process.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Mark Friedenbach]

Not when failure is defined as, e.g., extra text pushing a UI element
down such that the button the user needs to click is no longer visible.
You don't test that except by having a human being run through some
example workflows, which is presumably happening during the release process.

On 06/13/2014 10:58 PM, Un Ix wrote:
> Was joking, but isn't the translation process back-ended with runtime
> tests to ensure that any stray chars etc cause the application to
> fail?
> 
>> On 14/06/2014, at 1:49 pm, "Matt Whitlock" <bip@mattwhitlock.name>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Saturday, 14 June 2014, at 1:42 pm, Un Ix wrote: How about a
>>> prize for anyone who can spot any "malicious" strings within next
>>> hour?
>> 
>> I think it's more an issue of accidental breakage than any
>> maliciousness. One character in the wrong place in a language
>> bundle somewhere can make the difference between success and
>> runtime failure, and it may not be immediately apparent when
>> running in unaffected locales. This kind of problem isn't likely to
>> result in data loss (or money loss, where money is data, is in
>> Bitcoin), but it could be enough to necessitate scrapping the whole
>> release, which would look bad and prompt users to question the dev
>> team's quality control process.
> 

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Wladimir]

On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Un Ix <slashdevnull@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Was joking, but isn't the translation process back-ended with runtime tests to ensure that any stray chars etc cause the application to fail?

There is some postprocessing done in the script that fetches
translation files (see
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/devtools/update-translations.py
). It removes stray control characters, but for example there is no
check for number and presence of formatting characters. I generally
check that by manually looking through the diffs. But would be great
if someone added that.

Wladimir

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Going to tag 0.9.2 final

[Wladimir]

On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Un Ix <slashdevnull@hotmail.com> wrote:
> How about a prize for anyone who can spot any "malicious" strings within next hour?
>
> ;-)

Hah, if there was to be a prize I'd rather have people looking out for
icebergs than for wrongly arranged deck chairs :-)

Wladimir