From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rn4y1-00035m-N3 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:04:33 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.210.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.47; envelope-from=laanwj@gmail.com; helo=mail-pz0-f47.google.com; Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com ([209.85.210.47]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Rn4xw-0003lp-7r for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:04:33 +0000 Received: by dadw11 with SMTP id w11so1295520dad.34 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:04:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.75.233 with SMTP id f9mr33513056pbw.10.1326791062348; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.8.11 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:04:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1326665394.7032.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:04:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: Wladimir To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041b4676f6638104b6b59d57 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (laanwj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Rn4xw-0003lp-7r Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:04:33 -0000 --f46d041b4676f6638104b6b59d57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is not just "a political issue". The internet as we know it is at stake, and bitcoin depends directly on a working, single, globally connected internet (at least for now, until mesh networking goes anywhere...). *Everyone* using bitcoin has the interest in keeping the internet working and un-balkanized. That's not a political opinion, it's a fact. The laws could also criminalize both the users and developers, if they regard bitcoin as a "payment network". And countries aren't too fussy about extradition to the US (see the case of Richard O'Dwyer). Though I agree that SOPA and PIPA are just manifestations of a brand of censorship that is spreading all over the world. Stopping these laws won't solve the underlying issue either. Other countries will keep pushing for them, and we can't blank out the page for every country. However, that does not make the issue "political and thus meaningless". Also: "being too small to matter" is never a good argument to not do something. It is fear paralysis. Wladimir 2012/1/17 Jorge Tim=C3=B3n > It may be a political issue, but I don't think wikipedia becomes a > political organization for being against censorship. > This is not about left or right. Is about free speech, one of the > basic principles not only of freedom but also of democracy. > And as Gregory shows it clearly affects bitcoin directly. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > --f46d041b4676f6638104b6b59d57 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is not just "a political issue". The internet= as we know it is at stake, and bitcoin depends directly on a working, sing= le, globally connected internet (at least for now, until mesh networking go= es anywhere...).=C2=A0

*Everyone* using bitcoin has the interest in keeping th= e internet working and un-balkanized. That's not a political opinion, i= t's a fact.

The laws could also criminal= ize both the users and developers, if they regard bitcoin as a "paymen= t network". And countries aren't too fussy about extradition to th= e US (see the case of Richard O'Dwyer).

Though I agree that SOPA and PIPA are just manifestatio= ns of a brand of censorship that is spreading all over the world. Stopping = these laws won't solve the underlying issue either. Other countries wil= l keep pushing for them, and we can't blank out the page for every coun= try.=C2=A0

However, that does not make the issue "political a= nd thus meaningless". Also: "being too small to matter" is n= ever a good argument to not do something. It is fear paralysis.

Wladimir

2012/= 1/17 Jorge Tim=C3=B3n <timon.elviejo@gmail.com>
It may be a political issue, but I don't think wikipedia becomes a
political organization for being against censorship.
This is not about left or right. Is about free speech, one of the
basic principles not only of freedom but also of democracy.
And as Gregory shows it clearly affects bitcoin directly.

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