From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69E541B68 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 21:06:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-io0-f182.google.com (mail-io0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1991C145 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 21:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ioiz6 with SMTP id z6so62959136ioi.2 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:06:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=vinumeris.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=M9bE2Vnnjkxk++u5j8loCLJeTlhanIcF0Qsvvjh3BEQ=; b=gCI5hf8PAZo3zEsjeF4qaIJiMNPS/QUFnHZ3Mjb5fpE8rr59bTPTkG1BcgT9NbFytw 7qGWNPyTzKBJ1wyTRgU4TM1UQjkluIPUOfKOm1GVY1YoXIn6yblw/QDaW3/RJ8sxluby IIf+FaLY3LH587fcbOqKL3pspMYqkz1ChGZ5M= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=M9bE2Vnnjkxk++u5j8loCLJeTlhanIcF0Qsvvjh3BEQ=; b=PaMkwKdFhHvUfDE5qGLikpSZ8xcC2KWb0DIxAr6SfY3H5g28GIWHRQrvdXnG3XhHjI lyltQa3LAc8fGV/y4Jy8BqBPikiKpWafpVpGdbBuAX2lrQ/lduV2twdDDaFdKLojOP04 u1e8PgfFZ5pvtCsjvZmRH1b0z/6U3JtMP9pk6uLRMt+RoTizBmoN0bFJ0kunVDlNlVIz d+m52nWy7E+jP2ngOT7EemF6kPNZr+8hjsTcjPL0DV6gmytCcOSV0EI3+n/tS1MLjQC3 co7PBYUplJ7vt+KnWlh7H57Qlzfj3gSBzgzCGjhhNNvQE9jR+UVjwnq3Bg6zzDlPFl1E SuRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkW+JtbvSLVjB2te8RuiKJbCnCyVs6gp48lOhtP0cxwlY8J8/1VHSdZ8cYUddCYqAKo9nhc MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.165.140 with SMTP id o134mr6870971ioe.29.1443647161601; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.123.166 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:06:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150927185031.GA20599@savin.petertodd.org> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 23:06:01 +0200 Message-ID: From: Mike Hearn To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1141fb903fb1210520fd4cec X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY! X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 21:06:02 -0000 --001a1141fb903fb1210520fd4cec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Exactly, all those "mini divergences" eventually disappear > A miner that has accepted a newly invalid transaction into its memory pool and is trying to mine it, will keep producing invalid blocks forever until the owner shuts it down and upgrades. This was happening for weeks after P2SH triggered. For instance, any miner that has modified/bypassed IsStandard() can do this, or any miner that accepts direct transaction submission, or any miner that runs an old node from before OP_NOPs were made non-standard. > On the other hand, the "single divergence" in the hardfork keeps growing > forever (unless all miners evetually upgrade. > Which they do, because they will eventually notice they are burning money. Sorry Jorge, but I don't think your argument makes sense. --001a1141fb903fb1210520fd4cec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Exactly, all those "mini div= ergences" eventually disappear

A miner that has a= ccepted a newly invalid transaction into its memory pool and is trying to m= ine it, will keep producing invalid blocks forever until the owner shuts it= down and upgrades. This was happening for weeks after P2SH triggered.

For instance, any miner that has modified/bypassed IsS= tandard() can do this, or any miner that accepts direct transaction submiss= ion, or any miner that runs an old node from before OP_NOPs were made non-s= tandard.

On the other ha= nd, the "single divergence" in the hardfork keeps growing forever= (unless all miners evetually upgrade.

Which they = do, because they will eventually notice they are burning money.
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Sorry Jorge, but I don't think your argument makes sense.=
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