From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QgmZQ-0002ce-Li for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:40:52 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.216.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.47; envelope-from=gmaxwell@gmail.com; helo=mail-qw0-f47.google.com; Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com ([209.85.216.47]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1QgmZP-0007ZU-UQ for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:40:52 +0000 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5so1466663qwh.34 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:40:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.43.225 with SMTP id x33mr492038qce.64.1310514046446; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.83.196 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:40:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <602127524.20110712224712@web.de> References: <602127524.20110712224712@web.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:40:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Gregory Maxwell To: Michael Offel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gmaxwell[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1QgmZP-0007ZU-UQ Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] overall bitcoin client code quality X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:40:52 -0000 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Michael Offel wrote= : > We =C2=A0seem =C2=A0to have very different opinions on that, but let's tr= y to be > objective. =C2=A0I =C2=A0belive =C2=A0that every class should be able to = stand on its > own. =C2=A0That way it can be reused in other projects or situations in t= he > same =C2=A0project. =C2=A0And =C2=A0it =C2=A0is =C2=A0much =C2=A0more eas= y to catch and extend class Objectively, your believes have only the weight of the electrons they are printed on, so long as you're talking and not coding. I don't mean that as an insult=E2=80=94 I'm sure many people value your ide= as but when you disagree with someone who is actually coding you'll eventually lose every time. Talk is cheap. (And I'm guilty of this too=E2=80=94 but aware of my lacking commits I'm certainly not going to expect anyone to listen to _coding style_ advice. I try to keep my comments to crap I can measure and speculate about.) [snip] > In terms of source > control =C2=A0it =C2=A0even =C2=A0gives some kind of easier to read histo= ry and fewer > merge =C2=A0conflicts. =C2=A0When =C2=A0you =C2=A0start =C2=A0writing =C2= =A0a =C2=A0class for exactly one > propose =C2=A0in =C2=A0one specific situation used by one other class you= should Certainly no modern SCM has major issues with merge conflicts due to shared files. Bitcoin is a _tiny_ piece of software... on the order of 20kloc. It's a a scale where someone competent can read it in a day and have a basic overall understanding of it in a few. This fact makes the aesthetics talk seem like pointless shed-painting especially coming from people who are yet doing substantial work. The proposal about reimplementing parts as libraries and the switching to them after validating them is a fine one. I suggest you do it. Having multiple work on such projects would not be wasted effort, as we'd all learn from the competition in designs/APIs/and targets for comparative testing. The interesting logic, however, is not net.cpp... because nothing too awful happens if peers get confused and drop their connections here and there. The critical logic is the blockchain validation logic. Which must make absolutely identical decisions on all nodes and which has a lot of corner cases which are difficult to test and might expose behavioral differences. There is also a lot of neat functionality in the scripts which is currently disabled because of a lack of confidence about the security of that code. So not only are new, clean, secondary implementations of this logic needed, but good automatic testing shims which can find inconsistencies between implementations. (Testing rigs are often an excellent area of work for people new to a project.)