From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XtojB-00023c-QL for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:22:41 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.213.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.170; envelope-from=gmaxwell@gmail.com; helo=mail-ig0-f170.google.com; Received: from mail-ig0-f170.google.com ([209.85.213.170]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1XtojB-000623-2V for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:22:41 +0000 Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id r2so9487987igi.3 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:22:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.168.18 with SMTP id r18mr31067288ioe.76.1417054955771; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.18.65 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:22:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141127020947.A13D2E19A09@quidecco.de> References: <54760A50.201@riseup.net> <20141127020947.A13D2E19A09@quidecco.de> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:22:35 +0000 Message-ID: From: Gregory Maxwell To: Isidor Zeuner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gmaxwell[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1XtojB-000623-2V Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Deanonymisation of clients in Bitcoin P2P network paper X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:22:41 -0000 > Since this attack vector has been discussed, I started making some > measurements on how effective it is to connect to Bitcoin using Tor, > and I found that the number of connections dropping to near-zero is > a situation which occurs rather frequently, which suggests that there > is still room to improve on the DoS handling. I'm confused by this, I run quite a few nodes exclusively on tor and chart their connectivity and have seen no such connection dropping behaviour. Can you tell me more about how you measured this? [As an aside I agree that there are lots of things to improve here, but the fact that users can in theory be forced off of tor via DOS attacks is not immediately concerning to me because its a conscious choice users would make to abandon their privacy (and the behaviour of the system here is known and intentional). There are other mechanisms available for people to relay their transactions than connecting directly to the bitcoin network; so their choice isn't just abandon privacy or don't use bitcoin at all.]