From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01D698EE for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2017 08:06:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ua0-f182.google.com (mail-ua0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B1F612F for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2017 08:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ua0-f182.google.com with SMTP id j53so138410428uaa.2 for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 01:06:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=7eUO5uA1aRcez7GgRK3xI8xClnavPe95gCWxeLSL5O8=; b=UsNt9ZK07HB0uBP5G0ABiRSX+Pi0TUaENcgl0VlQ2A1y9HRkC0krHY4fnqhGL4cyua V82Zel1bUFf2rMW1md7YHSSHvV5iPwnaGozKRQfDPMi8xIFc98htyWPSJdCrfufNh2P4 QY/WzRP4qmDFQtLISijUiDXH923YuSsOhDfIEcbDHLfbNendDIqqa7arcoTiIIg7UtyD 58khQMf2W710Dv3RE3vSSzo2w53yFrpPe2tHFg3YbXgI/EjzZNGrXp3Q8K2xqy8pKySs vK4MSYEp25+FBnbYpCHfGWfdb5aocPxUb6JHwHuZBMFNJJVW3fe91VaH0CRvS5JAYGaw ay4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=7eUO5uA1aRcez7GgRK3xI8xClnavPe95gCWxeLSL5O8=; b=Ibb5dY2nT97Vbmmqb/mkC8OUaadF4r1GEUzKb9JOXTtDbSDWO6lEI1Kxaz1D31fFcz chVNdT6Wuhe+bsTtKUvgCYPeJvLnDKSzzFEFQu392/BjZZwm1AgqaPwR+MJN19N1B6Ly 0ukWg0gQikrjFBjRni6UU9hPU5lBhqRPp4cNgw+c70gT9YCztr2qPcE6d9r7goqOb385 LiiMs7B9+dotyR3LWYM2+X8qTSPkgD4XY5pv9Xw+VTwGy/r2KZzoEE2z/HaTrfPp3Gt3 VUN6ygVkomANYE2Y6joL2QxSZLj64SvDkmFNfxPFnk4/psJFgIfcnR3mI3TIyLRd06Ul gJkw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOzzCHB7sJcAgkrp64ouUfAvC8p518c/C/rW25/MePmYIwytzR0H QNuwHwSNuwZJ8+CQvLBMhs85IZ/d/zkk X-Received: by 10.176.67.98 with SMTP id k89mr26856957uak.103.1499241993598; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 01:06:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: gmaxwell@gmail.com Received: by 10.103.40.2 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jul 2017 01:06:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201707050350.53122.luke@dashjr.org> References: <201707050350.53122.luke@dashjr.org> From: Gregory Maxwell Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 08:06:33 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4XStaIdDnxB94Peu8OmjLBuPDQk Message-ID: To: Bitcoin Dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Height based vs block time based thresholds X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2017 08:06:35 -0000 On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:50 AM, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev wrote: > I've already opened a PR almost 2 weeks ago to do this and fix the other > issues BIP 9 has. https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/550 > > It just needs your ACK to merge. These proposals for gratuitous orphaning are reckless and coersive. We have a professional obligation to first do no harm, and amplifying orphaning which can otherwise easily be avoided violates it. It is not anyones position to decide who does and doesn't need to be "woken up" with avoidable finical harm, nor is it any of our right to do so at the risk of monetary losses by any and all users users from the resulting network instability. It's one thing to argue that some disruption is strictly needed for the sake of advancement, it's another to see yourself fit as judge, jury, and executioner to any that does not jump at your command. (which is exactly the tone I and at least some others extract from your advocacy of these changes and similar activity around BIP148). I for one oppose those changes strongly. > Not having a mandatory signal turned out to be a serious bug in BIP 9, I have seen no evidence or case for this.