From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E0D725A for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:40:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-yk0-f182.google.com (mail-yk0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 682FC219 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ykfw73 with SMTP id w73so83444984ykf.3 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:40:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+goYLiDFU9AFjNgc+6kHH98ltvFFnCofD6n/hBJKK8I=; b=j5qKWxr2TH/BV5ZLWniGxoDN59rxlyaQ1if8MTTDqS06PkNsXkKyuO7Yi0NWGaa4+I 8ljMOPRVlBE7yYgDknLSyp0ZUkEtdCoiP11zjpxBuAYpd0VOW+mLOvOanTS/X2MUBp8a YGz+0xDQnBG30juPkEYz+cKikHcis5sYDTTttl6kstgX7MS5drbmaEvawzo3Jd8CHy1S P+DdmjSa4NYZdqxd7TsWtwqnGjb0Fu7g+STMriiFpXMdF5d/ZipwkEFytu03kVq7pRAM mdplU5spKrzT26tGly91mPaPS+mT1syQCmzGjIaH6RRr1kuXFLipvvQ0BoxpTPdfrKZB 98vQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmBriBEQERneG+Cx8G3KI5IV1lL9hOazqJBJ6dt1d1hU3ahWon9UeFfQDb3f2yv66DCCjbA MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.13.211.67 with SMTP id v64mr3177078ywd.120.1439840455621; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.13.205.6 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:40:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6EC9DDF352DC4838AE9B088AB372428A25E1F42A@DS04> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:40:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Marcel Jamin To: Anon Moto Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114d64e6e43564051d86face X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: slurms--- via bitcoin-dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:40:57 -0000 --001a114d64e6e43564051d86face Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 His account on that website was also compromised. 2015-08-17 21:02 GMT+02:00 Anon Moto via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>: > Satoshi, > > As much as I want to believe this is you it's very difficult to ignore the > fact that Vistomail could have been hacked and I'm currently speaking to a > troll. > Can you copy and paste what you wrote above, to > http://p2pfoundation.ning.com as well, like how you did during the Dorian > fiasco? > > > Much appreciated. > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Satoshi Nakamoto via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing >> list. I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would >> achieve widespread consensus. However with the formal release of Bitcoin >> XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my >> concerns about this very dangerous fork. >> >> The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my >> original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth. When I >> designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future >> modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous >> agreement. Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of >> charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or >> Satoshi Nakamoto. Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have >> to do it without being forced or pressured into it. By doing a fork in >> this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim >> to honour. >> >> They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed >> to be. However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and >> new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions. >> For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the >> security of the network. Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system >> while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and >> we should take more time to come up with a robust solution. I suspect we >> need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on >> altruism. >> >> If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what >> "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the >> use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin >> a failed project. Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially >> robust. This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold. >> >> Satoshi Nakamoto >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > --001a114d64e6e43564051d86face Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
His account on that website was also compromised.

2015-08-17 21:02 GMT= +02:00 Anon Moto via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.li= nuxfoundation.org>:
Satoshi,

As much as I want to believ= e this is you it's very difficult to ignore the fact that Vistomail cou= ld have been hacked and I'm currently speaking to a troll.
Ca= n you copy and paste what you wrote above, to http://p2pfoundation.ning.com as well, l= ike how you did during the Dorian fiasco?

Much appreciated.


On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Satoshi Nakamoto vi= a bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
I have been followin= g the recent block size debates through the mailing list.=C2=A0 I had hoped= the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread= consensus.=C2=A0 However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this= looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about th= is very dangerous fork.

The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original = vision, but nothing could be further from the truth.=C2=A0 When I designed = Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the= consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement.=C2=A0 Bitcoin = was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, eve= n if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto.=C2=A0= Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without b= eing forced or pressured into it.=C2=A0 By doing a fork in this way, these = developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to hono= ur.

They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to = be.=C2=A0 However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and= new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions.= =C2=A0 For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on= the security of the network.=C2=A0 Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary s= ystem while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial proble= m, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution.=C2=A0 I = suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relyin= g solely on altruism.

If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bit= coin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through th= e use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoi= n a failed project.=C2=A0 Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and soci= ally robust.=C2=A0 This present situation has been very disappointing to wa= tch unfold.

Satoshi Nakamoto

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