From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06D27DF2 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:22:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-io0-f174.google.com (mail-io0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74EAD166 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f174.google.com with SMTP id d63so161581818ioj.2 for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 12:22:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CKCIXq7W7SEl8wv+V3qizA4BLixxmvzT/ExhmLXj5r4=; b=D5RjCTefryM27/ALB9tKk/esERCqw1NITY+n0wBFSC8wWHJmvAsS/O5z8eMIdD6S8v THOrPgCf2aVqmShdm910Wih3q4Fw46DYUQtWb0mdvFR6WYwt3Yek7fVkxuLAvmH0rnt5 yyqXCZhsohAkKA6GLmfsH5afj8em1ZqRqKzHiU9wgj35E5ekk62+fAaT7H1fvntSOmQV 7FNn6bUCFWP79qjaehGABcPALlSTNt3GoXQs+diUceW2aiUSMCY+37SgcBj+GMEjnXue fxLhnwJHD3IulkUmTz8JM2TKzr3O9uNOaahiITEQM4+r/rjZnAckaiY+9vMyg1jX5Cre b1+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CKCIXq7W7SEl8wv+V3qizA4BLixxmvzT/ExhmLXj5r4=; b=QMbATsVCa1898/JDiszALV2/X0kkgb7PoloIoE2BKKE2lTvTV29CRyY20y3erTIvVj ESJ055yDFjLEUY7qVbflfWifr6g+TxvX3qSHRI2hE6cR7MSvvtYEWSBt63ZiLDk7u1jk J8jA5sQ5eRm+UhuUujn7W21o8tW3+oI2Ltfhpr6uvu4fdrGocEmqV3LA0X6SWw3ASoLm 9fRELligjvuLo0fnZv7HtUSR1O/RHJCL0NT72dYQiNi+AAtlrtFDykxoOQGjFfLBh936 Ag9lQ/4j19GVgualWXvn1W10BUq1A21qBQuOdkrjVkru86wrTq3h9qV+Wn9OOPQ5zE5k UerQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSzqBwF7b8cQwlV+NloPfQqgzrGbQLmc1RztcayXsUVpIe8vGctCM7YvmRGSIajea5cxS+7O7ooYCWBUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.40.76 with SMTP id o73mr19655210ioo.157.1454790150987; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 12:22:30 -0800 (PST) Sender: nbvfour@gmail.com Received: by 10.36.20.142 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:22:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1804222.7gVHPiWqto@kiwi> References: <1804222.7gVHPiWqto@kiwi> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:22:30 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uqOPIrwipS_QlO3Nuw67Pxg0EyU Message-ID: From: Chris Priest To: Tom Zander Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 21:15:11 +0000 Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2 megabytes X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 20:22:32 -0000 Its mostly a problem for exchanges and miners. Those entities need to be on the network 100% of the time because they are using the network 100% of the time. A normal wallet user isn't taking payments every few minutes like the exchanges are. "Getting booted off the network" is not something to worry about for normal wallet users. If miners aren't up to date, that is the biggest problem. A sudden drop in hashpower will effect the network for all users, including normal wallet users (by them having to wait longer for confirmations). Miners must not be booted off the network ever. Hashpower voting is the best way to make sure this never happens. On 2/6/16, Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev wrote: > On Saturday, February 06, 2016 06:09:21 PM Jorge Tim=C3=B3n via bitcoin-d= ev > wrote: >> None of the reasons you list say anything about the fact that "being >> lost" >> (kicked out of the network) is a problem for those node's users. > > That's because its not. > > If you have a node that is "old" your node will stop getting new blocks. > The node will essentially just say "x-hours behind" with "x" getting larg= er > > every hour. Funds don't get confirmed. etc. > > After upgrading the software they will see the new reality of the network= . > > Nobody said its a problem, because its not. > > -- > Tom Zander > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >