From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C8DC1556 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:13:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com (mail-io0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D602424A for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iofb144 with SMTP id b144so102971027iof.1 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:13:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AKhSDmVbAC4FBzJxJ6elSVGEFsM7oyJHRCbqt9+vl3A=; b=Vxkvlo9XtzjSFghP+Ddibxbon39D+I2hUJgDmMFqkqCxAxrm3AX/U/QjT1m6dECaUG i3YRutJ8NVDD8i+WPlST/Vtu6QJxbehPt5C3xFvHGuLVE2wILmT8decMkMd566meTXJG V/IMMThzbShVTnz7oRKppcbmk3quD/dLYiiOxIDZp+1sw61KbjEa1ZU/5b2p2ytUIdVQ 0r3txrCdvbEzEO+lB6NE6nRu9zePe8bboVOJmRLPUSWtbG600xPEinFkhkEgrSZYayi/ FXrfc3f7S/1Wj6VbQel1sRnex3ouOddCbGtgXadS2QqtnUJbaqDzd+R9FW3iSBsMd3sc r4hA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.132.222 with SMTP id o91mr25619365ioi.172.1442783588363; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.57.85 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:13:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150920211047.C40FD404BA@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <55F9E47D.50507@mattcorallo.com> <55FC6EBF.9090504@mattcorallo.com> <20150919014710.GD22598@muck> <20150919060639.A775A404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD0737.1080008@voskuil.org> <20150919072714.D3349404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD1122.5030107@voskuil.org> <20150919075758.820CC404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD225B.1050402@voskuil.org> <55FDD951.9010709@gmail.com> <20150920162140.8B00D404BA@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FEE015.6000506@bitcoins.info> <20150920211047.C40FD404BA@smtp.hushmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:13:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: Steven Pine To: NxtChg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f7fe845b49d0520343b46 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:13:09 -0000 --001a113f7fe845b49d0520343b46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That's a simple fallacy, historically governments even hegemons, fail, in fact it would be odd to assert that a government will not fail, therefore ascribing godlike and limitless powers to a government is again the view of either a shill or someone untutored in history. On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 5:10 PM, NxtChg wrote: > > >Anyone who doesn't consider governments the proper threat model is either > a shill or an idiot. > > You meant to say "threat". This is what threat model is: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threat_model > > Nobody here discounts governments as a threat. > > As to the "proper threat model", you can't construct one since your > attacker is essentially unbounded. > > For example, any large government could easily obtain 51% of hash power > and then only accept transactions from "certified services". > > -- Steven Pine (510) 517-7075 --001a113f7fe845b49d0520343b46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's a simple fallacy, historically governments even= hegemons, fail, in fact it would be odd to assert that a government will n= ot fail, therefore ascribing godlike and limitless powers to a government i= s again the view of either a shill or someone untutored in history.

On Sun, Sep 20, 201= 5 at 5:10 PM, NxtChg <nxtchg@hush.com> wrote:

>Anyone who doesn't consider governments the proper threat model is = either a shill or an idiot.

You meant to say "threat". This is what threat model is: <= a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threat_model" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threat_model

Nobody here discounts governments as a threat.

As to the "proper threat model", you can't construct one sinc= e your attacker is essentially unbounded.

For example, any large government could easily obtain 51% of hash power and= then only accept transactions from "certified services".




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