From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADDE51AB7 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:23:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-io0-f179.google.com (mail-io0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E94E1F8 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iofb144 with SMTP id b144so102400729iof.1 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 13:23:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=emxSQmBm+0G1Kdu+RYJM1C+QSEYlv5/y7vBGpWx+3I8=; b=Otp+pTN9vt9WBZpo6CNHZt9s4Cni5HLYEDo/UCknXC1WkoKO/TqqYkZH0HGThnfUau zRCnCb5b4hUXepAaFrBTQn9LZNQEChrJSTsDqVxZmGsWktDztSFbMi4vl/clmljmhJrs Wsh49caJWZnuRCWzL6GFU8qL+/KEzI4SZm2hLchseSGjDIWcMg0mh4rdoYCzvP7xdlhG 76YRdcO1YCTkZQM0aBaz8WOVq+3loDWtvYHKzU87mMWoP1mSnvAXONKG9CTFDGChHfak QVIejMtFGo/S0EhLRf5SGaLUfl6OPuqkRbM6ZmjpY9gjRmcIiaJKA/e6BB9UEiSF1Npl ieEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.10.203 with SMTP id 72mr22028744iok.117.1442780608570; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 13:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.57.85 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 13:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.57.85 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 13:23:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55FEE015.6000506@bitcoins.info> References: <55F9E47D.50507@mattcorallo.com> <55FC6EBF.9090504@mattcorallo.com> <20150919014710.GD22598@muck> <20150919060639.A775A404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD0737.1080008@voskuil.org> <20150919072714.D3349404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD1122.5030107@voskuil.org> <20150919075758.820CC404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD225B.1050402@voskuil.org> <55FDD951.9010709@gmail.com> <20150920162140.8B00D404BA@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FEE015.6000506@bitcoins.info> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:23:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: Steven Pine To: Milly Bitcoin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ed704a9bb120520338976 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:23:29 -0000 --001a113ed704a9bb120520338976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It's amazing how foolish some people are to continue trusting governments especially in light of recent history: a seemingly endless, Orwellian 'war on terror', multiple regional conflicts often justified by fake evidence, wholesale disregard of law and basic human covenants such as do not torture, ubiquitous and secret global surveillance. Anyone who doesn't consider governments the proper threat model is either a shill or an idiot. On Sep 20, 2015 12:34 PM, "Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev" < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Until this is settled, Bitcoin has no clear direction and developers >> cannot make effective decisions: >> > > How exactly do things set "settled" in this environment? > > People looking at Bitcoin think a small group of developers and miners > "control" these decisions. Not sure if "control" is the right word but > that is the perception. > > Russ > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --001a113ed704a9bb120520338976 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's amazing how foolish some people are to continue tru= sting governments especially in light of recent history: a seemingly endles= s, Orwellian 'war on terror', multiple regional conflicts often jus= tified by fake evidence, wholesale disregard of law and basic human covenan= ts such as do not torture, ubiquitous and secret global surveillance.

Anyone who doesn't consider governments the proper threa= t model is either a shill or an idiot.

On Sep 20, 2015 12:34 PM, "Milly Bitcoin vi= a bitcoin-dev" <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
Until this is settled, Bitcoin has no clear direction and developers cannot= make effective decisions:

How exactly do things set "settled" in this environment?

People looking at Bitcoin think a small group of developers and miners &quo= t;control" these decisions.=C2=A0 Not sure if "control" is t= he right word but that is the perception.

Russ


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