From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0D76720 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 14:45:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-yw0-f175.google.com (mail-yw0-f175.google.com [209.85.161.175]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82BA5139 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 14:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-f175.google.com with SMTP id i203so49067371ywc.3 for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2017 07:45:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PC/HdwX12OuWLYWn4iuHqkhoUIFG9UI/NUUBBPu1Hjw=; b=rktLFfdnfN93VoWCtxG3F4JIDH5iMkh1qKbiFnn54v6VesgSkQQF8RmE/2OW6IZmvX reVOTmTlOzgpImKILDeQJviXsZW1KIaAVLN85Wn07EUnn0TLQWOIGXSZMTqTWKAO9fOh NBOBFGni8++XxkrfdR4lH+JJ5CrckELNNuKWNqdS47WnljgF1atBLvELTcPqRPyv6SVT fWAu5pBEsDcBarUm4vQf/XmsuAGbdS4pPpDHUYmUocXT6+3bpuHCOAen1dt10ehYZmTd MARUkQYVKnu7DCPnKhzM+K/kbbqzaxhVnuwja8C1mGCptuHxvneG1NMst5XIEI9tm4zE 4HiQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PC/HdwX12OuWLYWn4iuHqkhoUIFG9UI/NUUBBPu1Hjw=; b=RJ9xnDoYoa8j8vPVSzTEiyr/tkOrKCzRy2E5vO1KW6z6I8fhAkAtxTonl3ZQQqoWa7 VS/8dOwKjrkVi0TZ5IGB0UzPj8zfjWZ8V14U8LC7Z8/6JHavtGY+7IpmTYQJTM8jWFhH 8sEWzGqUVCxYqKg9zNxhlsDR6nRXNwr7E8yw7+I+L+/emHYGALVt2DzJx0TRXY12l4v5 0cM74VxJ7U7iNzNZ37RN4XKYe5ti76/drrDrVg7GrPdKckFYFTTqAeMKa8q4jPIZV/3r oFYd6oe7mWUmwUyYPBB4Cab+aLnpmklSEE4Vrp5Tm8lG57tdYM0hyrdUxU24vwV3DMxo K19w== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3Ff2oxaPlS/XhcXnFLmybiMJK7SngsJA/ptQdL3GvHuKTnn59wmrOxXpB2gxeAzeDmtWhqLXTnCdTZgA== X-Received: by 10.129.172.23 with SMTP id k23mr6366159ywh.337.1491057942664; Sat, 01 Apr 2017 07:45:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.123.135 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 07:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.123.135 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 07:45:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9eb001f8-7623-3c79-41bb-7ed6e45b43ae@voskuil.org> <2a2b6fc0-f800-2646-55b3-1501cb5d5a30@voskuil.org> From: Natanael Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 16:45:41 +0200 Message-ID: To: Bitcoin Dev , Eric Voskuil Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1bae00033b07054c1bfb70 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 14:45:44 -0000 --94eb2c1bae00033b07054c1bfb70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Den 1 apr. 2017 16:35 skrev "Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev" < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 03/31/2017 11:18 PM, Jared Lee Richardson wrote: >> If a typical personal computer cannot run a node there is no >> security. > > If you can't describe an attack that is made possible when typical > personal computers can't run nodes, this kind of logic has no place > in this discussion. "Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks..." That's what's so great about Bitcoin. The blockchain is the same everywhere. So if you can connect to private peers in several jurisdictions, chances are they won't all be lying to you in the exact same way. Which is what they would need to do to fool you. If you run your own and can't protect it, they'll just hack your node and make it lie to you. --94eb2c1bae00033b07054c1bfb70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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On 03/31/2017 11:18 PM, Jared Lee Richards= on wrote:
>> If a typical personal computer cannot run a node there is no
>> security.
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> If you can't describe an attack that is made possible when t= ypical
> personal computers can't run nodes, this kind of logic has no plac= e
> in this discussion.

"Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally
controlled networks..."

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That's what's so great about Bitcoin. The b= lockchain is the same everywhere.=C2=A0

So if you can connect to private peers in several jurisdict= ions, chances are they won't all be lying to you in the exact same way.= Which is what they would need to do to fool you.=C2=A0

If you run your own and can't protect i= t, they'll just hack your node and make it lie to you.=C2=A0
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