From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E28B11E6 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:46:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9678D1D2 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbbsx3 with SMTP id sx3so58783790lbb.0 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 04:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=moMK3MeO1iLnHxPva77zupQZ8WDx0aTnlyLErJQdlvM=; b=LHDfjVmC+KN7cvPlPNE4ctt/G0ncKGAKLs5nYgXTd9g6rflHLNtuN/XnwM8guUeFJr wv6WGQwTTEx7FmuY+19zQO7vMst2TnK2bzHpOkDQQ6BRp1gOzHu2eNmcF/ZeyoS+OGZo IxKqeX3f6FHkvPcEEHEHEE8CoykrYru4RHD4YvYLRPrjZVAtjwnVEsGfXJevaC+5JATU QKTWg+t/AJoHVEkGAOCLE3WWAL8OEJctZZD4xDmj+rnuJKkJLWigOvEMBr/jsY/1rAit t03Vq8EGELMhMewT5ZhfD1w3LDtb2btFtixU+A/obxyZ8w0qhyhckX/N4xisiG+E5/5q XY5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.118.19 with SMTP id ki19mr10227174lbb.108.1441021570808; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 04:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.220.225 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 04:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.220.225 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 04:46:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150831084538.399E0200EF@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20150821130333.Horde.9zPFmy3VMqAO5FGReDHaRg1@www.vfemail.net> <14f827eebfc-1c38-73be@webprd-a12.mail.aol.com> <20150831084538.399E0200EF@smtp.hushmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:46:10 +0200 Message-ID: From: Natanael To: NxtChg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfd001ed7838d051e99faf9 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:46:13 -0000 --047d7bfd001ed7838d051e99faf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 One last comment here on this topic; For anybody who wants to discuss decentralized communication mechanisms in general, they can come to www.reddit.com/r/p2pcomms (up until these decentralized forums have become stable and common). I've seen quite a few more of these projects lately, I want to make a list of them and would definitely like to contribute to making them not just usable, but good enough to gain popularity on their own. (And in case you wonder about my approach to moderation: let every user pick which moderators / filters / servers he trusts, and let them share their subscription preferences in place of sharing links to centralized forums.) - Sent from my phone Den 31 aug 2015 10:45 skrev "NxtChg via bitcoin-dev" < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>: > > >I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly decentralized as I > nor anyone else will be able to control it. > > Zander is working on the same thing: > https://www.reddit.com/r/AetheralResearch/ > > But it's actually quite difficult to make it truly censorship-resistant: > both in solving the theymos factor and spam/abuse/overloading as an attack. > > > >There is no doubt that the centralization and censorship of the Bitcoin > community is massively inhibiting the advance of Bitcoin > >and also the growth of the Bitcoin economy. We are scaring away > intellectuals, businessman, and newbies that are just getting started. > > We have /r/bitcoinxt and so far it has been great. But we also need a > regular forum. > > Roger Ver controls bitcoin.com, as I understand? > https://bitcoin.com/forum/ would be nice. > > And it must be a real community, not "say whatever you want because free > speech". We've seen how that turned out to be. > > Something like battle.net or Steam forums: heavily moderated, not for > opinions, but for spam/noise/insults. > > Again, this needs leadership. Anyone can install a forum software, what is > needed is an "official seal of approval" and regular presence of top XT > people there. > > And a will to setup proper moderation. Then people will move. > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --047d7bfd001ed7838d051e99faf9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One last comment here on this topic;

For anybody who wants to discuss decentralized communication= mechanisms in general, they can come to www.reddit.com/r/p2pcomms (up until these decentralized foru= ms have become stable and common).

I've seen quite a few more of these projects lately, I w= ant to make a list of them and would definitely like to contribute to makin= g them not just usable, but good enough to gain popularity on their own.

(And in case you wonder about my approach to moderation: let= every user pick which moderators / filters / servers he trusts, and let th= em share their subscription preferences in place of sharing links to centra= lized forums.)

- Sent from my phone

Den 31 aug 2015 10:45 skrev "NxtChg via bit= coin-dev" <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>:

>I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly decentralized as= I nor anyone else will be able to control it.

Zander is working on the same thing: https://www.reddit.co= m/r/AetheralResearch/

But it's actually quite difficult to make it truly censorship-resistant= : both in solving the theymos factor and spam/abuse/overloading as an attac= k.


>There is no doubt that the centralization and censorship of the Bitcoin= community is massively inhibiting the advance of Bitcoin
>and also the growth of the Bitcoin economy. We are scaring away intelle= ctuals, businessman, and newbies that are just getting started.

We have /r/bitcoinxt and so far it has been great. But we also need a regul= ar forum.

Roger Ver controls bitcoin.com, as I understand? https://bitcoin.com/forum/ would be nice.

And it must be a real community, not "say whatever you want because fr= ee speech". We've seen how that turned out to be.

Something like battle.net or Steam forums: heavily moderated, not for opinions,= but for spam/noise/insults.

Again, this needs leadership. Anyone can install a forum software, what is = needed is an "official seal of approval" and regular presence of = top XT people there.

And a will to setup proper moderation. Then people will move.

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