From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YLzy9-0008Ki-Ig for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:02:37 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.181; envelope-from=natanael.l@gmail.com; helo=mail-we0-f181.google.com; Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YLzy8-0007CF-L1 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:02:37 +0000 Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id w62so12403556wes.12 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:02:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.95.66 with SMTP id di2mr11182259wjb.57.1423771350501; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:02:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.28.170 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:02:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54DD046B.3070507@riseup.net> References: <20150212064719.GA6563@savin.petertodd.org> <356E7F6E-300A-4127-9885-2183FB1DE447@gmail.com> <54DCECE4.3020802@riseup.net> <54DCFBB5.3080202@gmail.com> <54DD003E.2060508@riseup.net> <54DD046B.3070507@riseup.net> From: Natanael Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:02:10 +0100 Message-ID: To: Justus Ranvier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (natanael.l[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.5 AWL AWL: Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address X-Headers-End: 1YLzy8-0007CF-L1 Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:02:37 -0000 On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Justus Ranvier wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 02/12/2015 07:47 PM, Allen Piscitello wrote: >> Nothing will stop that. Bitcoin needs to deal with those issues, >> not stick our heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist out of >> benevolence. This isn't a pet solution, but the rules of the >> protocol and what is realistically possible given the nature of >> distributed consensus. Relying on altruism is a recipe for >> failure. > > If there's a risk of fire burning down wooden buildings, pass out fire > extinguishers and smoke detectors, not matches. > > The latter makes one an arsonist. Controlled fires is a valid tactic when necessary to reduce harm. It is frequently used in areas with periods of extreme heat including Australia. By burning off grids, you isolate the majority of flammable matter into "islands". An accident fire would cause much more damage. Placing yourself in the way of the fire and asking them to find another solution isn't that bright. It is only a matter of time until a fire starts, controlled or not! If you want another solution, go figure one out yourself! More to the point, it is unreasonable to knowingly expose yourself to risk of harm and blame everybody else who isn't making your life easier without you having to change anything. If the majority decides that the best option to reduce harm for everybody requires that you move out of the way and find another way to do things, you're better off moving. Telling people it is fine to keep being careless when there's a fire hazard is "the real crime", because that would cause more harm than what those who try to get the system changed does.