From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1916BDA for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:01:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wm0-f47.google.com (mail-wm0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F1EC3F9 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f47.google.com with SMTP id r78so14121309wme.5 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:01:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=s5Dc1/fuYc9IbfU9SCj0vFzpYPIsTaMS28NDNbOg4j0=; b=iPHpQn6Dt2KnwCfLEnX6LkcaCdN427a6JF+5JpTUZwb1cN8AKvjLwXAMXiMjTsKrp9 AWPbd8acqwTdBTGDSS6obN415XZhPECIN7lBQEQCqOJeRKkGqYI8ZIMM9jHkVr4AeP/C UouGe8n2psaKhQaStT5IwwTyu2ENG3GgM5ssvoSpvz7olC4tZeJ8lW3kYs1Rodmnbwnj DEYFylmhdqYln+ClxD7wA2pw5RQHfJX8fEWrLNeDOERsP9OYjW9PtvhRT9Ts0gRptNAN d0ukkATBoI2VWQ6Q1qxG1s3MNbBcRDjaO3m1RtpotWy0SYqTTrVsES4touSs4+IjEQH7 DUtA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=s5Dc1/fuYc9IbfU9SCj0vFzpYPIsTaMS28NDNbOg4j0=; b=pTEn798bC+jpKIYuzwvsJAPwh7EgnHJXq6vKGMCNnyfIV+x8qLT9rAK6danSgEnfRa xayPw1MQlEiW5zmUQWoJjEVy0lCGDbjqpUJkbxaHXMmW2jkZoRn2oVAMoEZqLHtxHo+U ZLwEJa/G93/+cwQ/QAqBXMQMS17lyB0upgab8bkq91d6NIgISCxSyYY2Rqw3jiawb+5w 6Mw2BMiJ+4PkW2RHtfmZ2HR5+TeWfigJC7eJtwcnobt+qlqJialiECXrT1ZncivNkJ+6 5QZUs8k+ePvb76sONq44TDfcb3osk2t11XA1InGZFz80EpzzvXMw4pMWDf8I/PsUlZ3N eueg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIuq14rQkXD673bmgjsIuPxLQvAyqjsGRAEWryybiEs4rKgkicZ xChQfNcRXWJQlarhMCrhuT+Fy/DrlrEUSsjPcwY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouXDZ4I5TTolHj+FqFeDZhDTome5Rx9xfhyJId2CvzE3t21HbnZg5GVOwL82NKk5s4rYuYG96SWUa4SWSZsLi4= X-Received: by 10.80.244.194 with SMTP id v2mr14416832edm.68.1513288870549; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:01:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.176.3 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.80.176.3 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:01:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20171213213607.ijlvqwpdaokucgi6@fedora-23-dvm> From: Natanael Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 23:01:09 +0100 Message-ID: To: Marcel Jamin , Bitcoin Dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c091cba925d9105605405b7" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Utilization of bits denomination X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:01:13 -0000 --94eb2c091cba925d9105605405b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Reposting /u/BashCo's post on reddit here, for visibility: ---8<--------------------------------------------------------------- > Before anyone says 'bits' are too confusing because it's a computer science term, here's a list of homonyms [https://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/List_of_true_homonyms] that you use every day. Homonyms are fine because our brains are able to interpret language based on context, so it's a non-argument. This ignores the fact that there exists multiple meanings of bits *within the same context*, and that beginners likely can't tell them apart. Feel free to try it yourself - talk about Bitcoin "bits" of a particular value with somebody who doesn't understand Bitcoin. Then explain that the cryptography uses 256 bit keys. I would be surprised if you could find somebody who would not be confused by that. Let's say a website says a song is 24 bits. Was that 24 bit audio resolution or 24 bit price? Somebody writes about 256 bit keys, are that their size or value? You guys here can probably tell the difference. Can everybody...? Bits will cause confusion, because plenty of people will not be able to tell these apart. They will not know WHEN to apply one definition or the other. https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin/comments/24m3nb/_/ch8gua7 --94eb2c091cba925d9105605405b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Reposting /u/BashCo's post on reddit here, for visibility:

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> Before anyone says 'bits' are too confusing because it's a= computer science term, here's a list of homonyms [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_true_homonyms] that yo= u use every day. Homonyms are fine because our brains are able to interpret= language based on context, so it's a non-argument.=C2=A0
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This ignores= the fact that there exists multiple meanings of bits *within the same cont= ext*, and that beginners likely can't tell them apart.=C2=A0

Feel free to try it yourself - tal= k about Bitcoin "bits" of a particular value with somebody who=C2= =A0 doesn't understand Bitcoin. Then explain that the cryptography uses= 256 bit keys. I would be surprised if you could find somebody who would no= t be confused by that.=C2=A0

Let's say a website says a song is 24 bits. Was that 24 bit audio = resolution or 24 bit price? Somebody writes about 256 bit keys, are that th= eir size or value?=C2=A0

You guys here can probably tell the difference. Can everybody...? Bits wil= l cause confusion, because plenty of people will not be able to tell these = apart. They will not know WHEN to apply one definition or the other.=C2=A0<= /div>



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