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From: Andrew Johnson <andrew.johnson83@gmail.com>
To: alp alp <alp.bitcoin@gmail.com>,
	 Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A Modified Version of Luke-jr's Block Size BIP
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 09:51:24 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAy62_LcpgXss9hMTG_kwoGbuTOmfpmEc-awi5gNybq0fYErfQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMBsKS9OS2tA4bG-JG96XNZTiPyuq322Qu=fyJcZ1BtVj3TtxQ@mail.gmail.com>

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You're never going to reach 100% agreement, and stifling the network
literally forever to please a tiny minority is daft.

On Feb 8, 2017 8:52 AM, "alp alp via bitcoin-dev" <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

10% say literally never.  That seems like a significant disenfranchisement
and lack of consensus.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:25 PM, t. khan via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.
linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Luke Dashjr <luke@dashjr.org> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, February 06, 2017 6:19:43 PM you wrote:
>> > >My BIP draft didn't make progress because the community opposes any
>> block
>> > >size increase hardfork ever.
>> >
>> > Luke, how do you know the community opposes that? Specifically, how did
>> you
>> > come to this conclusion?
>>
>> http://www.strawpoll.me/12228388/r
>
>
> That poll shows 63% of votes want a larger than 1 MB block by this summer.
> How do you go from that to "the community opposes any block increase ever"?
> It shows the exact opposite of that.
>
>
>> > >Your version doesn't address the current block size
>> > >issues (ie, the blocks being too large).
>> >
>> > Why do you think blocks are "too large"? Please cite some evidence. I've
>> > asked this before and you ignored it, but an answer would be helpful to
>> the
>> > discussion.
>>
>> Full node count is far below the safe minimum of 85% of economic activity.
>>
>
> Is this causing a problem now? If so, what?
>
>
>> Typically reasons given for people not using full nodes themselves come
>> down
>> to the high resource requirements caused by the block size.
>
>
> The reason people stop running nodes is because there's no incentive to
> counteract the resource costs. Attempting to solve this by making blocks
> *smaller* is like curing a disease by killing the patient. (Incentivizing
> full node operation would fix that problem.)
>
> - t.k.
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-08 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-05 21:50 [bitcoin-dev] A Modified Version of Luke-jr's Block Size BIP Andrew C
2017-02-05 23:02 ` Luke Dashjr
2017-02-05 23:53   ` Andrew C
     [not found]     ` <C5621135-FBC8-44E7-9EC0-AFDEEBB6031E@thomaslerin.io>
2017-02-06 21:00       ` Andrew C
2017-02-06 18:19   ` t. khan
     [not found]     ` <201702061953.40774.luke@dashjr.org>
2017-02-06 20:25       ` t. khan
2017-02-08 14:44         ` alp alp
2017-02-08 15:51           ` Andrew Johnson [this message]
2017-02-08 15:57             ` alp alp
2017-02-08 16:28               ` Andrew Johnson
2017-02-08 18:16                 ` alp alp
2017-02-08 19:53                   ` t. khan
2017-02-08 19:56                   ` Andrew Johnson
2017-02-08 20:13                     ` alp alp
2017-02-10 10:33                       ` Btc Drak
2017-02-10  4:10 Ryan J Martin

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