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On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 7:54=E2=80=AFAM moonsettler wrote: > Hi Greg, > > > Noting that from my quick glance that the CSFS implemented in mutinynet > is not BIP348 compliant. > Wdym not compliant? Because it also has CSFSV? > > BR, > moonsetler > > On Monday, March 24th, 2025 at 2:29 AM, Greg Sanders > wrote: > > > Noting that from my quick glance that the CSFS implemented in mutinynet > is not BIP348 compliant. How much that matters for experimenters, I am no= t > sure. > > I opened a PR to inquisition to rectify the lack of BIP348-compatible > PRs, at a minimum. > > > > Greg > > On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 12:02:52=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 /dev /fd0 wrote: > > > > > Hi Weikeng, > > > I agree that it has a lot of support among bitcoin developers. No > objections for CSFS on [wiki][0]with evaluations from more than 50 bitcoi= n > developers. > > > > > > Co-author of APO, Christian Decker has also expressed his support for > it on [twitter][1]. Even Greg Maxwell considers it [useful][2]. > > > > > > [0]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support > > > [1]: https://x.com/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818 > > > [2]: https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-2= 8 > > > > > > /dev/fd0 > > > floppy disk guy > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:03 PM Weikeng Chen > wrote: > > > > > > > I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS > should be added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently > received a lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a > few years, CSFS isn't. > > > > With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the > LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps > with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lowe= r > potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows > applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Weikeng > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to bitcoindev+...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/2584bf15-8e7f-4d89-8987-f41d= d06b2824n%40googlegroups.com > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/cfaa1df8-44bb-4d1a-9e3b-3f39= 0421a23cn%40googlegroups.com > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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Correct.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 7:54= =E2=80=AFAM moonsettler <m= oonsettler@protonmail.com> wrote:
Hi Greg,

> Noting that from my quick glance that the CSFS implemented in mutinyne= t is not BIP348 compliant.
Wdym not compliant? Because it also has CSFSV?

BR,
moonsetler

On Monday, March 24th, 2025 at 2:29 AM, Greg Sanders <gsanders87@gmail.com> wrote:=

> Noting that from my quick glance that the CSFS implemented in mutinyne= t is not BIP348 compliant. How much that matters for experimenters, I am no= t sure.
> I opened a PR to inquisition to rectify the lack of BIP348-compatible = PRs, at a minimum.
>
> Greg
> On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 12:02:52=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 /dev /fd0 wrote= :
>
> > Hi Weikeng,
> > I agree that it has a lot of support among bitcoin developers. No= objections for CSFS on [wiki][0]with evaluations from more than 50 bitcoin= developers.
> >
> > Co-author of APO, Christian Decker has also expressed his support= for it on [twitter][1]. Even Greg Maxwell considers it [useful][2].
> >
> > [0]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_supp= ort
> > [1]: https://x.com/Snyke/status/189588001379= 6556818
> > [2]: https://freenode.irc= log.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-28
> >
> > /dev/fd0
> > floppy disk guy
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:03 PM Weikeng Chen <weiken...@l2iterative.com&= gt; wrote:
> >
> > > I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whethe= r CSFS should be added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has rece= ntly received a lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for= a few years, CSFS isn't.
> > > With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of th= e LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps= with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower= potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applicatio= ns relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Weikeng
> >
> > > --
> >
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>
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