From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UF5s6-0007qf-7r for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:46:46 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.128.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.128.51; envelope-from=jtimonmv@gmail.com; helo=mail-qe0-f51.google.com; Received: from mail-qe0-f51.google.com ([209.85.128.51]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1UF5s4-0003ya-A9 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:46:46 +0000 Received: by mail-qe0-f51.google.com with SMTP id nd7so2380475qeb.24 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:46:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.58.173 with SMTP id s13mr20634513qeq.29.1363020398844; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.11.140 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:46:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130310043155.GA20020@savin> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:46:38 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?B?CUpvcmdlIFRpbfNu?= To: Gavin Andresen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jtimonmv[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1UF5s4-0003ya-A9 Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Blocking uneconomical UTXO creation X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:46:46 -0000 Unless of course everlasting physical "bitcoins" are much more important than smart property and colored coins... On 3/11/13, Jorge Tim=F3n wrote: > "The Bitcoin network will destroy your coins IF you don't move your coins= " > Is pretty different. By the way, doesn't have to destroy them, can > just give them to miners. > > In any case, what's wrong with my reasoning? > Smart property/colored coins are not spam transactions because they pay > fees. > > The problem for the network are not transactions that move less coins > than they pay fees, but old UNSPENT OUTPUTS. So why don't you focus on > that instead of a formula to check what transactions make "economic > sense"? > > I even prefer the sudden "destruction" (or re-generation by miners) of > the account after the X period (killerstorm's proposal) instead of > just rejecting great potential use cases for the chain. > > I mean, I still prefer a small fixed demurrage fee after those X > blocks without moving them, but since this community is demurrage > allergic and that possibility cannot even be considered (doesn't > matter what reflects better the costs for miners/the network I guess), > I'll go with the second best option IMO. > > This would be just a fee for a resource that users are enjoying and > has real costs for the network. Why would constant demurrage fees > after a free storage period would be perceived so different from > transaction fees? > > I haven't heard anyone complaining about "the bitcoin developers are > destroying part of YOUR coins every time you move them!!" > > > On 3/11/13, Gavin Andresen wrote: >>> Just activate a non-proportional demurrage >> >> demurrage of any kind will never, ever happen, just give up on that idea= . >> >> The negative publicity of "the bitcoin developers are destroying YOUR >> coins!" would be devastating. >> >> -- >> -- >> Gavin Andresen >> > > > -- > Jorge Tim=F3n > > http://freico.in/ > http://archive.ripple-project.org/ > --=20 Jorge Tim=F3n http://freico.in/ http://archive.ripple-project.org/