From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7839010E1 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 00:43:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-io0-f175.google.com (mail-io0-f175.google.com [209.85.223.175]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0516E13A for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 00:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ioiz6 with SMTP id z6so7046972ioi.2 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:43:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zAy8nwuiUHqCJGGgDSGkH6otidWfX48/0khSZbJB6YM=; b=zVKSSVgeBySSBolsL5ImhP8+LnSFhmTZVb8fPgpMmwvR2TjpN9HUbfnEQzkfvP9EoC AgBxKd2dp54TLiZy0OjujejNxAM6j8C6sZ7MSWr0PuJvCIBT64nZRnL4SWmbYVVMdMU1 mjBJ8gjy8XJWyY+WdoyInSaNvV1jAoEUGfc7AvXLEDavS/W8dy++PAfge288xPtnZkMN +H07TXc1bRCXC6+HOxjc1ab5bKKDYHuRjOFrr80aj5/8q2bP+iU4U7lugtZEYj685Bwn YbC0Ej0Lnw6k3XFA6gMIa3xqsedOAc4z7nXP/XIrRBUUfUHsT1dJ2mftLa4BSfdDIUm3 D3jg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.30.13 with SMTP id e13mr1709940ioe.57.1441327395416; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.19.141 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 17:43:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <64B72DF6-BE37-4624-ADAA-CE28C14A4227@gmail.com> References: <64B72DF6-BE37-4624-ADAA-CE28C14A4227@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:43:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: Bryan Bishop To: Andy Chase , Bryan Bishop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [BIP/Draft] BIP Acceptance Process X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2015 00:43:16 -0000 On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Andy Chase via bitcoin-dev wrote: > I wrote the BIP mostly to stir the pot on ideas of governance Some quick comments: I have some objects that I am not ready to put into words, but I do think there are easily some major objections to committee design. If I vanish and never respond with my objections, perhaps there's an IETF RFC about this already.... Something that may mitigate my possible objections would be some mandatory requirement about ecosystem echo-chambers making many attempts and efforts at steelman representations of alternative viewpoints. Understanding objections at a fundamental level, enough to make strong steelman statements, is very important to ensure that the competing opinions are not censored from consideration. Pathological integration and internalization of these steelman arguments can be very useful, even if the process looks unusual. Your process does not have to replace any particular BIP process as-is, but rather could be an alternative that proceeds on its own perhaps indefinitely without replacement. I don't think too many BIP processes are necessarily incompatible except by namespace collision. https://gist.github.com/andychase/dddb83c294295879308b#gistcomment-1566432 - Bryan http://heybryan.org/ 1 512 203 0507