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From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com>
To: Paul Sztorc <truthcoin@gmail.com>,
	Gregory Maxwell <greg@xiph.org>, Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com>,
	 Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Updating the Scaling Roadmap
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 18:36:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABaSBax_yfA8Zb_sFhHh9Ap-qzMryA38i360LrrC7bt8viuvRA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1c1d06a9-2e9f-5b2d-42b7-d908ada4b09e@gmail.com>

I can't help but notice that I have read Greg's email before-- all the
way back in 2016. It would have been impossible for him to write a
reply to Paul's current email back then... but I also notice that Greg
did not indicate that he was copy-pasting until the very end (and even
then his aside at the end was sort of not the most clear it could have
been I think).

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Paul Sztorc via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> On 7/11/2017 5:11 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>> [  Note 1: I think it is important to disclose that several of the
>> items in this list appear to be more or less quoted out of my own
>> blockstream-internal descriptions of things we've been working on in
>> Bitcoin.
>> A while back Adam Back asked me to publish something which contained
>> significant chunks of this document more or less verbatim,
[ snip ]
> I am not exactly sure what you are insinuating but I encourage you to
> clarify it.

I believe that's an artifact of a 2016 email. And the rest of it, for
that matter. See below.

>> and I
>> declined saying that I personally disagree with some of his points and
>> didn't think that Blockstream attempting to redirect the Bitcoin
>> project (esp towards drivechains) was appropriate-- along with my
>> (above) views on roadmaps (which I have included here a private email
>> thread on the subject). I feel it's important to disclose this, and
>> that the document was not otherwise created with the input of project
>> contributors (except Luke-Jr, apparently). I wasn't previously aware
>> that Adam had been working with Paul on this, had I been I would have
>> also encouraged people to be a little more transparent about it. ]
> I really don't understand what you are disclosing. That Adam asked you
> for feedback on the draft? And then, in the next sentence, that not
> enough experts were asked for feedback on the draft? I'm legitimately
> confused by this part.
>
> As I stated, we can remove the drivechain section. But surely you can
> appreciate how bizarre your position on roadmaps is. What exactly, did
> you intended to create at [1]? Since it is described explicitly as "the
> roadmap in Capacity increases for the Bitcoin system", have you been
> disagreeing with it's characterization as a 'roadmap' this entire time?
> One wonders why you haven't said anything until now.
>
> [1] https://bitcoincore.org/en/2015/12/21/capacity-increase/

The vast majority of Greg's email, including all the positiontext on
roadmaps was mostly text sent on 2016-11-04 to Adam Back, myself,
Wladimir, and others. Some of the other parts aren't, like the part
mentioning Blockstream.

Here is a commitment to a list of the recipients (for whatever good
such a commitment might do):
b1e575e15d86a5a5931ea0bc519701df4cc152f020f03cd7912074ce5c36260a

- Bryan
http://heybryan.org/
1 512 203 0507


  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-11 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-10 16:50 [bitcoin-dev] Updating the Scaling Roadmap Paul Sztorc
2017-07-11 16:03 ` Chris Stewart
2017-07-11 16:49   ` Adam Back
2017-07-11 20:01   ` Pieter Wuille
2017-07-11 20:36     ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-11 21:40       ` Pieter Wuille
2017-07-11 22:49         ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-11 21:16     ` CryptAxe
2017-07-11 20:18   ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-11 21:31     ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-07-11 22:27       ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-11 21:11 ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-07-11 21:40   ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-07-11 22:17   ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-11 22:41     ` Tao Effect
2017-07-11 22:57       ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-11 23:12         ` Tao Effect
2017-07-12  0:21           ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-12  7:27             ` Jacob Eliosoff
2017-07-12 19:19           ` Chris Stewart
2017-07-12 19:24             ` Tao Effect
2017-07-12 19:34               ` Chris Stewart
2017-07-12 19:42                 ` Tao Effect
2017-07-12 19:54                   ` CryptAxe
2017-07-12 21:55                     ` Tao Effect
2017-07-12 22:07                       ` CryptAxe
2017-07-11 23:36     ` Bryan Bishop [this message]
2017-07-12  0:07     ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-07-12  1:40       ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-12  2:48         ` Bryan Bishop
2017-07-12  3:33         ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-07-12  6:17           ` [bitcoin-dev] how to disable segwit in my build? Dan Libby
2017-07-13  1:04             ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-07-13 13:11               ` Federico Tenga
2017-07-13 13:39                 ` Hampus Sjöberg
2017-07-13 16:19                   ` Dan Libby
2017-07-13 16:35                     ` Jameson Lopp
2017-07-13 21:58                       ` Dan Libby
2017-07-13 22:50                         ` Hampus Sjöberg
2017-07-13 23:20                           ` Dan Libby
2017-07-14  8:52                             ` Hampus Sjöberg
2017-07-14  9:03                             ` Tier Nolan
2017-07-13 23:19                         ` Lucas Clemente Vella
2017-07-13 16:05               ` Dan Libby
2017-07-14 21:11               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2017-07-13  1:48             ` Anthony Towns
2017-07-13 16:13               ` Dan Libby
2017-07-12  1:22   ` [bitcoin-dev] Updating the Scaling Roadmap Karl Johan Alm
2017-07-12  9:37     ` Tom Zander
2017-07-12  9:02   ` Tom Zander
2017-07-11 23:28 ` Anthony Towns
2017-07-17 17:13 ` [bitcoin-dev] Updating the Scaling Roadmap [Update] Paul Sztorc
2017-07-17 18:49   ` Alex Morcos
2017-07-17 20:13     ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-17 21:50     ` Peter Todd
     [not found]   ` <20170717214704.ksegcrdqf3zeslah@fedora-23-dvm>
2017-07-17 22:04     ` Paul Sztorc
2017-07-11 22:26 [bitcoin-dev] Updating the Scaling Roadmap Steve Davis

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