From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B91E11C8 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:45:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vs1-f45.google.com (mail-vs1-f45.google.com [209.85.217.45]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A87BE7 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vs1-f45.google.com with SMTP id y16so51063523vsc.3 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 04:45:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oWz21t5J1a7mXufdCaCbL+T2iIudFpw8YtSOi10YYUI=; b=jVlqxsi3arMMDSYlB9gPxfT70Yzf6ZF/8hulProg3i17eXX/thRBj4Id1TOrJCewvK QjeWfLhe9uFD8z6VDa/MbzxiRXrCj/GJJW4AMH7VTdSh5WPivawN0F3X8mUuJEazhFW8 FRv5hy/+CjXIIJf+MNabP4H4qYw9kJoXhYsmpCcPNZb6lC+WVQPwFEVkNshwak1KlDRM OqN9E4YLp/RDuibwUTXgY6884JySe2UjldUzY8MasFyLs/PsMmJJYopNSoPuVsMt2vCM tfGASKu5Y80WrD1hHC4mPyto/SRM4SqZodkR1PqnyyEy3s2G596IDooixztYiIXLZGqX zlRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=oWz21t5J1a7mXufdCaCbL+T2iIudFpw8YtSOi10YYUI=; b=M/DaYGROSyYyc0vPJQxl4WzBo3l6tCmhztoTXPeNOPNnwvANM24JCg5Jp22qSIXRjw 5pTmQF36kB12yMMrvw7LgCNfwtqSeRhSQgysq1UuksJIcsXxS4NiMyb2VwCz6f+gSJyq m9QqS5/KB6a9XdT2cnQjRVlWF+Md3qHnaeFJJqkQonR74d7hnLfjqoD/JNw8bKMNwqEc iRVI/XSNhrXFZMt+lH+qcflNL94cwsmJKE563ULukCTaii98bUTp84tmqOvg+n41lOJe 9lcKAt5b2Zeztf1ouSZF4CF3BHU3AkpJ20dCIo3x5Enu3iTriICIFXNLxSuDKNzvarMX dxIg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUwwPf9pEF9SCGkmRkjszDd7b6O1wAyKBEc6dFtSdMF6GnNdmX3 JV4J3CZ6gndjAFqdYRJgJ6kQWbbFk3kYviNc3P0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwLSX9jQN3tcwmCof0ynyZ55Ieb6NGb+FekcayxUjqq3cR97Gbd7a6Jqj7JC/rJjyOlN1J+8gsmUG9SLI24QNw= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ee01:: with SMTP id f1mr17299388vsp.3.1564746317653; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 04:45:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <53b75074-59ff-9890-419d-d5e6fcb44a7c@emilengler.com> In-Reply-To: <53b75074-59ff-9890-419d-d5e6fcb44a7c@emilengler.com> From: Bryan Bishop Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 06:43:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: Emil Engler , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion , Bryan Bishop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Meta] bitcoin-dev moderation X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 11:45:19 -0000 On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:50 PM Emil Engler via bitcoin-dev wrote: > The current situation is that the moderation is slow and takes around > >24h for a E-Mail to be on the mailing list It really shouldn't be 24 hours. Our strategy was to have a few moderators in different timezones to cover sleep shifts or other disruptions of service. Evidently this has not been adequate. > Jonas Schnelli proposed: "I propose that we add more moderators to > shorten the moderation lag which has been between >24h, thus makes > debates cumbersome" Makes sense. I'll go find a few people. > Beside this I had the idea of people who already contributed n e-mails > to the mailing list don't need an approval for any e-mail anymore (Where > n is the number of previous e-mails). Does this exists already? There is an active software vulnerability which requires moderation to be enabled. This version of mailman is unmaintained, and Linux Foundation is migrating away from or abandoning the email protocol so they are less willing to do backend infrastructure work. This manifests in other ways, like downtime, but also weird situations like missing emails that never hit the moderation queue. I get pings from different people about two times a year where they report an email that they think I missed, but in fact it never hit the moderation queue at all. Email clearly isn't the greatest protocol. - Bryan http://heybryan.org/ 1 512 203 0507