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[2a00:1450:4864:20::530]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5b1f17b1804b1-432d477271esi307705e9.0.2024.11.12.11.55.02 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Nov 2024 11:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kanzure@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::530 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::530; Received: by mail-ed1-x530.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5cf0810f5f9so3933123a12.0 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2024 11:55:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:5241:b0:5c9:4b8c:b92e with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5cf0a43f0b7mr23813786a12.26.1731441300714; Tue, 12 Nov 2024 11:55:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bryan Bishop Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:54:48 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [bitcoindev] Broken links to the previous mailing list archive To: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com Cc: Bryan Bishop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Original-Sender: kanzure@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b="mzO6d/kZ"; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kanzure@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::530 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kanzure@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com; dara=pass header.i=@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Hi, lists.linuxfoundation.org is no longer hosting the static HTML email archives for bitcoin-dev or any other mailing list. We knew that this might happen and prepared months ago with the mailing list migration and also with various backups: https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CABaSBaxDjj6ySBx4v+rmpfrw4pE9b=JZJPzPQj_ZUiBg1HGFyA@mail.gmail.com/ However, many thousands of links around the web are still pointing to the old archive. This is really unfortunate as there is a wealth of content in the archive and these links were considered canonical. This is a general plea to update any broken links that you might be able to fix. What you can do, options ======================== There are a few options for actions that effected content providers can take: 1) Use `gnusha.org/url`. Explained below. 2) Replace lists.linuxfoundation.org urls with resolved urls to a new location for mailing list archives. More on this below. 3) Do nothing. Wait and see. It is possible that we can plead our case to Linux Foundation and get them to host static archives indefinitely, or at least host redirects. 4) Replace broken links with Wayback Machine urls. Someone told me apparently their archive is incomplete? I don't recommend this one because I am concerned about stress and strain on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine service beyond the additional activity that these links would incur. Besides, Wayback is already a highly centralized point for internet archival activity and therefore some decenteralization is warranted here. gnusha.org/url redirect service =============================== This is a redirect service I made that takes a URL parameter and redirects. To use it, get a previous url like: `https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-June/014472.html` your new url will be: `https://gnusha.org/url/https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-June/014472.html` and it will redirect to a current mailing list archive location for that message: `https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ogoa6o$o4s$1@blaine.gmane.org/` It uses a mapping file based on the mailing list archives. I have published scripts to make this mapping here: https://gist.github.com/kanzure/4e7bcc58344ceaa1a668e65a434adb2b See https://gnusha.org/url for more information. Thank you to Jonas Schnelli for suggesting the creation of this redirect service. Manual resolution ================= How to "manually" resolve "without" the gnusha.org/url redirect service. Use resolver.py here: https://gist.github.com/kanzure/4e7bcc58344ceaa1a668e65a434adb2b#file-resolver-py and set RESOLVER_HOST to `https://gnusha.org/url`, also set `resolver = resolve_locally` to `resolver = resolve_remotely`. This will convert urls from the old LF format to resolved urls like: `https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CABaSBaxDjj6ySBx4v+rmpfrw4pE9b=JZJPzPQj_ZUiBg1HGFyA@mail.gmail.com/` or `https://mailing-list.bitcoindevs.xyz/bitcoindev/CABaSBaxDjj6ySBx4v+rmpfrw4pE9b=JZJPzPQj_ZUiBg1HGFyA@mail.gmail.com/` depending on which public-inbox mirror you choose to use. Why resolve or not ================== I'll elaborate on `gnusha.org/url` vs `gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev` style urls. It is nice and simple to use a find-and-replace with `gnusha.org/url/` because anyone can easily repeat that exercise and verify the git diff before merging the pull request. However, the actual routing is not something that is verified by just checking that the `git diff` looks sane. If I was to provide my mapping (I haven't uploaded this yet, but I did publish the scripts I used to make it, hopefully someone will re-generate it to verify my work), then someone could write a script and/or cross-verify that all of the replacements are valid according to the mapping, if we were to use the destination urls instead of the redirect service for this pull request. Then someone would be able to verify that kind of pull request. There are other further issues though, like content malleability, wrong redirect link injection, service provider compromise... instead of referencing by Message-ID maybe in the future we can reference by email hash.... But now I'm dreaming. - Bryan https://x.com/kanzure -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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