From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00611B75 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 21:23:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wr0-f178.google.com (mail-wr0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AE7E13C for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 21:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w11so113835566wrc.3 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:23:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wTy9PE6OtMgIFwRw1FFbTHo/sGZ8VhjDksX0Z87k0Tw=; b=BUxrH5mzWb9CdSQAj6MCPbKUP12DruOrc3qbmZo8BqnnpqjAlNHyM79mlar+7UNgYv AIl47ImkRnu4WUO91H4MfUbBme8AighWeRbZfuSRjXT+VIpVCdE+BBp46zAfmc3c49Mi TobkvChAB9IZCdguw4y45cVaIVe5nh7K8ZoAc2axIgLeZM1F8kbPCFS0Cqo+I0/tSINC Q5T+GcM7EH1aZE1cpmb0IT8kV+8mtmdRMUr3HlWk7+OhBePpjPTiuELR7yOVkBXkAKT7 7zvtvXvOnjbtsCQpqENoM2rKzcxml/0KQXsSNn10pbcrXh1Xl9nxABfgP+DdeaKw9LnR gaAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wTy9PE6OtMgIFwRw1FFbTHo/sGZ8VhjDksX0Z87k0Tw=; b=S2IwPeGHUz3nAefmIvPd68PnBKT03e7D9zwCZPzk0e2XsGhTwYQsAXqhEo1HLlmpEy fWpiwMbpUl9SWNEql3BijBFLQk6tMC8bjA6hVk4/+LfdJCNbFMUCRCuemj3c9ZebZ/Js a99i6J1XExD+o/O+jg3nJ2XDUlzBx8E310yvFd1skuwLw8N5I0EqnfGVILPULzAJ7Fws ic7HqfNPHwgDwZttFxw3b5jBg/9w+/6h9MX+S+fCrTXuq1U+YLIBrkmdi+W5FKBzvQCt iYKIEIRMh07dUgygFmg0HnaquDr0knXLHyfupeiHRVPGbMQJR2kQUWM3HjychUbb6vMS xcrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1GB2xqSddSYNoaeE1vfEpdHVsGiTm9ejHrLY0LQXf5fCa885JJAYAibGtRw8VNFheDkfyMCBMy+KkcOw== X-Received: by 10.223.169.70 with SMTP id u64mr4469417wrc.187.1490995381601; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.173.234 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.80.173.234 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Rodney Morris Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 08:23:01 +1100 Message-ID: To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045cf46e1515fd054c0d6af5 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 21:24:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 21:23:04 -0000 --f403045cf46e1515fd054c0d6af5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 You guessed wrong. Multiple data centres are as much about redundancy and resiliency, and latency. As for the cost, data centre space, business grade communication lines, and staff are orders of magnitude more expensive than the physical hardware they support. I'd like to call you out on your continuing reduction to absurdity and slippery slope arguments. Just because we can't handle 4GB blocks today, doesn't mean we shouldn't aim in that direction. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be taking our first second and third baby steps in that direction. If the obsession with every personal computer being able to run a fill node continues then bitcoin will be consigned to the dustbin of history, a footnote to the story of the global crypto currency that eventually took over the world. Thanks Rodney Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:14:42 -0400 From: David Vorick To: Jared Lee Richardson Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Then explain why PayPal has multiple datacenters. And why Visa has multiple datacenters. And why the banking systems have multiple datacenters each. I'm guessing it's because you need that much juice to run a global payment system at the transaction volumes that they run at. Unless you have professional experience working directly with transaction processors handling tens of millions of financial transactions per day, I think we can fully discount your assessment that it would be a rounding error in the budget of a major exchange or Bitcoin processor to handle that much load. And even if it was, it wouldn't matter because it's extremely important to Bitcoin's security that it's everyday users are able to and are actively running full nodes. I'm not going to take the time to refute everything you've been saying but I will say that most of your comments have demonstrated a similar level of ignorance as the one above. This whole thread has been absurdly low quality. --f403045cf46e1515fd054c0d6af5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You guessed wrong. Multiple data centre= s are as much about redundancy and resiliency, and latency.=C2=A0

As for the cost, data centre spac= e, business grade communication lines, and staff are orders of magnitude mo= re expensive than the physical hardware they support.=C2=A0

I'd like to call you out on your = continuing reduction to absurdity and slippery slope arguments. Just becaus= e we can't handle 4GB blocks today, doesn't mean we shouldn't a= im in that direction. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be taking our first= second and third baby steps in that direction.=C2=A0

If the obsession with every personal computer= being able to run a fill node continues then bitcoin will be consigned to = the dustbin of history, a footnote to the story of the global crypto curren= cy that eventually took over the world.=C2=A0

Thanks=C2=A0
Rodney=C2=A0


Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:14:42 -0400
From: David Vorick <david.vori= ck@gmail.com>
To: Jared Lee Richardson <jaredr26= @gmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
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Then explain why PayPal has multiple datacenters. And why Visa has multiple=
datacenters. And why the banking systems have multiple datacenters each.
I'm guessing it's because you need that much juice to run a global = payment
system at the transaction volumes that they run at.



Unless you have professional experience working directly with transaction processors handling tens of millions of financial transactions per day, I think we can fully discount your assessment that it would be a rounding
error in the budget of a major exchange or Bitcoin processor to handle that=
much load. And even if it was, it wouldn't matter because it's extr= emely
important to Bitcoin's security that it's everyday users are able t= o and
are actively running full nodes.

I'm not going to take the time to refute everything you've been say= ing but
I will say that most of your comments have demonstrated a similar level of<= br> ignorance as the one above.

This whole thread has been absurdly low quality.



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