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From: "Jorge Timón" <jtimon@jtimon.cc>
To: Anthony Towns <aj@erisian.com.au>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Speedy Trial
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 14:44:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABm2gDo0=psMAKY6Pvfp8b-RvAJdUabiESJpff_yzgwmy7cigQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220424121429.GA7363@erisian.com.au>

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On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 2:14 PM Anthony Towns <aj@erisian.com.au> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 12:13:08PM +0100, Jorge Timón wrote:
> > You're not even considering user resistance in your cases.
>
> Of course I am. Again:
>

No, you're relying on miners to stop bad proposals.


> > > My claim is that for *any* bad (evil, flawed, whatever) softfork, then
> > > attempting activation via bip8 is *never* superior to speedy trial,
> > > and in some cases is worse.
> > >
> > > If I'm missing something, you only need to work through a single
> example
> > > to demonstrate I'm wrong, which seems like it ought to be easy... But
> > > just saying "I disagree" and "I don't want to talk about that" isn't
> > > going to convince anyone.
>
> The "some cases" where bip8 with lot=true is *worse* than speedy trial
> is when miners correctly see that a bad fork is bad.
>
> Under *any* other circumstance, when they're used to activate a bad soft
> fork, speedy trial and bip8 are the same. If a resistance method works
> against bip8, it works against speedy trial; if it fails against speedy
> trial, it fails against bip8.
>

You're wrong.


> > Sorry for the aggressive tone, but I when people ignore some of my points
> > repeteadly, I start to wonder if they do it on purpose.
>
> Perhaps examine the beam in your own eye.
>

Yeah, whether you do that yourself or not: sorry, it's over.


> Cheers,
> aj
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-24 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-11  0:12 [bitcoin-dev] Speedy Trial Russell O'Connor
2022-03-11  0:28 ` Luke Dashjr
2022-03-11  5:41   ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-11 12:19 ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-11 13:47   ` Russell O'Connor
2022-03-11 14:04     ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-12 13:34       ` Russell O'Connor
2022-03-12 17:52         ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-17 12:18           ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-23 22:34           ` Kate Salazar
2022-03-15 17:21         ` Jeremy Rubin
2022-03-17  4:17           ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-18 18:36           ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-17 12:08         ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-17 15:38           ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-18 23:01             ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-03-21  3:41               ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-21 15:56                 ` vjudeu
2022-03-22 15:19                   ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-22 15:45                     ` Eric Voskuil
2022-03-22 16:37                     ` vjudeu
2022-03-19 16:43             ` vjudeu
2022-03-15 15:45       ` Anthony Towns
2022-03-17 14:04         ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-22 23:49           ` Anthony Towns
2022-03-24 18:30             ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-26  1:45               ` Anthony Towns
2022-03-28  8:31                 ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-30  4:21                   ` Anthony Towns
2022-04-08  9:58                     ` Jorge Timón
2022-04-11 13:05                       ` Anthony Towns
2022-04-24 11:13                         ` Jorge Timón
2022-04-24 12:14                           ` Anthony Towns
2022-04-24 12:44                             ` Jorge Timón [this message]
2022-04-25 16:11                               ` Keagan McClelland
2022-04-25 17:00                                 ` Anthony Towns
2022-04-25 17:26                                   ` Keagan McClelland
2022-04-26  5:42                                     ` Anthony Towns
2022-04-26 13:05                                       ` Erik Aronesty
2022-04-27  2:35                                         ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-11 16:26     ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-17 11:32       ` Jorge Timón
2022-03-11 11:14 pushd
2022-03-12 17:11 pushd
2022-03-17 14:34 pushd
2022-03-26 12:59 pushd
2022-03-30 10:34 pushd
2022-03-30 20:10 ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-30 21:14   ` pushd
2022-03-31  4:31     ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-31 14:19       ` pushd
2022-03-31 15:34         ` Billy Tetrud
2022-03-31 15:55           ` pushd

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