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From: "Jorge Timón" <jtimon@jtimon.cc>
To: Bram Cohen <bram@bittorrent.com>,
	 Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: "Ricardo Pérez Marco" <ricardo.perez.marco@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Inhibiting a covert attack on the Bitcoin POW function
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 19:51:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABm2gDp1eS=458y5EK6YkGuhfWwgY5vnuMaEdUMA-HizdeJb7g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+KqGkqSxeAUZFVFqM_QkEWcGFHgZXwGuOE==7HpXp1+D_Tj3Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Bram Cohen via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> Asicboost also has the problem that it isn't treating the hashing as a black
> box, and thus has impacts on what gets mined. In particular it creates an
> incentive to make blocks smaller. That's a very unwanted effect, and
> anything like it should be engineered out on principle.

This is an interesting point.

If you have a precise description why it makes an incentive to make
blocks smaller I would love to read it.
Somebody asked and I didn't have an answer.
I imagine you try several reorderings sometimes excluding certain
branches of the merkle tree, permuting the branches you exclude or
something similar, but I really don't know the algorithm in detail and
I didn't want to say something inaccurate.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-04-06 17:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-05 21:37 [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Inhibiting a covert attack on the Bitcoin POW function Gregory Maxwell
2017-04-05 23:05 ` theymos
2017-04-06  0:17   ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-04-06  0:39     ` Joseph Poon
2017-04-06  0:40       ` Joseph Poon
2017-04-06  1:32       ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-04-06  2:09         ` Joseph Poon
2017-04-05 23:25 ` Anthony Towns
2017-04-05 23:42 ` Joseph Poon
2017-04-06  2:10 ` Jonathan Toomim
2017-04-06 20:21   ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-04-06  2:31 ` Peter Todd
2017-04-06  2:39   ` Bram Cohen
2017-04-06  2:49     ` Peter Todd
2017-04-06  3:11       ` Erik Aronesty
2017-04-06  3:23         ` Peter Todd
2017-04-06  3:23       ` David Vorick
2017-04-06  3:42         ` Peter Todd
2017-04-06  5:46         ` Thomas Daede
2017-04-06  6:24         ` Jonathan Toomim
2017-04-06 12:04           ` David Vorick
     [not found]           ` <CAMZUoK=oDAD9nhFAHkgncWtYxjBNh3qXbUffOH57QMnqjhmN6g@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <CAMZUoKn8tr3LGbks0TnaCx9NTP6MZUzQ8PE6jDq1xiqpYyYwow@mail.gmail.com>
2017-04-06 13:55               ` Russell O'Connor
2017-04-06 16:49           ` Marco
2017-04-06 17:04           ` Alex Mizrahi
2017-04-06 17:13           ` Alex Mizrahi
2017-04-07 12:59             ` Jannes Faber
2017-04-07 13:28               ` Erik Aronesty
2017-04-06 17:31           ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-04-06 17:26         ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-04-06 15:36       ` Alex Mizrahi
2017-04-06 17:51     ` Jorge Timón [this message]
2017-04-06  7:24 ` bfd
2017-04-06  9:17 ` Luke Dashjr
2017-04-06 12:02 ` Luv Khemani
2017-04-06 12:11   ` Bryan Bishop
2017-04-06 17:43     ` Timo Hanke
2017-04-06 12:30   ` Luv Khemani
2017-04-06 15:15     ` Jorge Timón
2017-04-06 15:41       ` Daniel Robinson
2017-04-06 16:13 ` Andreas Schildbach
2017-04-06 21:38 ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-04-06  4:47 Oliver Petruzel
2017-04-06  4:49 Raystonn .
2017-04-06  7:47 ` praxeology_guy
2017-04-06 12:13   ` David Vorick
2017-04-07  1:34 Daniele Pinna
2017-04-07  6:46 ` Emilian Ursu
2017-04-07  7:44 ` Alex Mizrahi
2017-04-07  8:08 ` praxeology_guy

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