From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 554C47AD for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:48:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C8AEE5 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lalv9 with SMTP id v9so60812028lal.0 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 23:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Nhkg9QoTQzOZGhHra2ZBd0PdCDSZDXFHdcYGqAL1kjQ=; b=kgQeaOfIcogMJR7SYjErfN3YkWad9gJGW/7DLTuDC8VdUjLmVT9FNlYsFZBwqbPhhQ q7RGGx8aUMoBuI0Ijp5ZQECs/xHgRRDQDSzHNWTivJ7Um454YTx+JL/xmpP2pAdaqBQW 7o/TvaCtyY4yxsKjH2rI0bvSJ1wVmkJX7bT2TF1otLy8W9nRCELaIkFITdqaGxhdHET1 ff0V34pKWJEMRBNlkzUdAPyRvp3jjVDdF5lFWcGMzfxIaLyfr+xBmKozU67OpfReE1cF FDHys7RkbIGJMW+pkK+1MRJQqjLr9wjPgG+NgvTIGRkxh6G0Okvakijz4KOy4FwFRrdr aqyw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkHIbi4Bdh8FA0uPGC7nXsC7qtAd4mavdujykDzBU92zgOubOzB5hX3Xcv7b7XM90vgeZQh MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.11.233 with SMTP id t9mr14941233lbb.104.1440312518770; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 23:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.15.22 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 23:48:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150821130333.Horde.9zPFmy3VMqAO5FGReDHaRg1@www.vfemail.net> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:48:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= To: David Vorick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:48:41 -0000 This is off-topic here. Consensus critical changes (those aren't changes that Bitcoin Core developers can make unilaterally against the will of alternative implementations or users) and Bitcoin Core development are independent from bitcointalk.org and /r/bitcoin. And as you say, people can create competing without moderation or "censorship" (ie /r/bitcoin_uncensored or bitcontalkuncensred.org /r/bitcoin_moderated_by_someone_else ). On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 3:39 PM, David Vorick via bitcoin-dev wrote: > I am not sure that this is on-topic for the bitcoin-dev mailing list, but it > seems politically relevant enough that I'm going to respond. > > /r/bitcoin and bitcointalk.org are both discussion websites that pertain to > a specific topic. All (or nearly all) discussion websites pertaining to a > specific topic have a set of rules that get enforced to facilitate relevant > and interesting discussion. These rules help to block spam, and help to make > sure that discussions happen in their appropriate places. The rules in place > on the two primary bitcoin discussion sites have helped facilitate a large > userbase frequented by many relevant experts. I do believe that we can thank > the strict moderation policies for much of the activity that happens which > is technically interesting. > > /r/bitcoin and bitcointalk.org are both centralized forums. As such, the > rules are going to be set by a centralized authority. The rules set have > been set to keep the discussion as interesting and relevant as possible. > When a certain theme becomes a massive echo chamber or little more than > beating a dead horse, it makes sense to implement moderation. Calling it > 'censorship' is misleading, because a government authority is not > threatening punishment for the discussion of a certain topic. People are not > banned from visiting forums or websites where off-topic (or > against-the-rules) discussion is happening. People's /r/bitcoin rights are > not being revoked because they are subscribed to a controvertial subreddit. > That would be censorship. > > Many people are clearly unhappy with the moderation happening on /r/bitcoin > and bitcointalk.org. Luckily, the switching cost for online discussion > forums is very low. I'm now going to invite people to post links to bitcoin > discussion forums where the moderation authority is different. > > I know that a recently popular subreddit is /r/bitcoin_uncensored > > I am interested to see what other forums people think are worth mentioning. > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >