From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19EFECD3 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 18:30:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f49.google.com (mail-vk0-f49.google.com [209.85.213.49]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E83F190 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 18:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vk0-f49.google.com with SMTP id c3so106122540vkb.3 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:30:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jtimon-cc.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=mWD4heLhVnInUrin0ZJ4WHkt9TVC4hSKaNMjxrovMOs=; b=WC319DdskLDd8ec+Xd7sLWYMc5ihSFnsgp+jmQBiSmlp8gS9J6i5g7yjbucm9HaDWZ R1t2bPtHv/GI8K7sIrqFOtpzVQmJhYrCP5PTLDn5BLK+oVlm6zF7LwNS6WMKAcyrW0er 7hWew8Bz/sPDEviOi34r+z7aneJOPX+L0TdG+2OkT1aqp5TmZNXMlAnwWeURyspeJEtc uIo2UQGBGJ/gZqxBtYzcpehPmKhtS+mKxndwT9yAIhG2IoS6t7SJKTH0TbnDGmoGMN9Z OV5XQ9XyXwMjRaca3214Ox2Nh+bCDvix6GdYDbYeJabm74TgYZEaQ2ie1jCpnznBYYTB jsww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=mWD4heLhVnInUrin0ZJ4WHkt9TVC4hSKaNMjxrovMOs=; b=KTuEamlYlRkRdcVxGfEglyYtiAIknBXleFh7Z1ikEsQgsowPxfuohGxBdNMJnmEVmI Aor/gIxQ+p6xqQUxfIZBZgp2/UjdyF0lPOSDsEjU6yVLtDB/SPz769Wp/k7UPhvh/0k3 f1/rPX4266o0OJFxy9IkNiM6idL8BdtRVnDFMCcIVh3D6VCRL7uYH5iewDiSGSUVke9n JMbFY+9EQeJSqgwlhc9mwNzHj+JxePbbGIaKU1p+7rK/pTSKePKt23Cg1cdNXgLvwmvc /n/ERfohF+z7EvyhwS1vc4iXSbZuQP9sIocQe5N/tZlk3/Rq0bp4YZorlalUnQWDoKPP hE3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKT2yN4pvAp69oMphKdEKGxVfkLWuZozTYdq3sxFli0BXpEOl47ZP24buHOskfe5hEr8hnktn5JJeikAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.8.205 with SMTP id 196mr5308545vki.144.1457634622675; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.141.73 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.141.73 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:30:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56E1A0BB.5090804@musalbas.com> References: <201603081904.28687.luke@dashjr.org> <56E0BFDC.5070604@musalbas.com> <201603100053.43822.luke@dashjr.org> <56E17E67.9040508@musalbas.com> <56E1A0BB.5090804@musalbas.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 19:30:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= To: Mustafa Al-Bassam Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1144f912e5b010052db6017b X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 18:46:31 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP 2 promotion to Final X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 18:30:24 -0000 --001a1144f912e5b010052db6017b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mar 10, 2016 17:28, "Mustafa Al-Bassam" wrote: > > The fact that it takes very little time and effort to prevent a BIP from reaching final status, means that in an base of millions of users it's guaranteed that some disgruntled or bored person out there will attack it, even if it's for the lulz. I still fail to see the harm caused by this attack. At some point the attacker will get bored of laughing even if the attack has a small costs (which I'm not that sure it is). > To reasonably expect that any hark fork - including an uncontroversial one - will be adapted by every single person in a ecosystem of millions of people, is wishful thinking and the BIP may as well say "hard fork BIPs shall never reach final status." This is what seem to have happened with uncontroversial softforks in the past. Why is wishful thinking to expect the same for uncontroversial hardforks? --001a1144f912e5b010052db6017b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mar 10, 2016 17:28, "Mustafa Al-Bassam" <mus@musalbas.com> wrote:
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> The fact that it takes very little time and effort to prevent a BIP fr= om reaching final status, means that in an base of millions of users it'= ;s guaranteed that some disgruntled or bored person out there will attack i= t, even if it's for the lulz.

I still fail to see the harm caused by this attack. At some = point the attacker will get bored of laughing even if the attack has a smal= l costs (which I'm not that sure it is).

> To reasonably expect that any hark fork - including an = uncontroversial one - will be adapted by every single person in a ecosystem= of millions of people, is wishful thinking and the BIP may as well say &qu= ot;hard fork BIPs shall never reach final status."

This is what seem to have happened with uncontroversial soft= forks in the past. Why is wishful thinking to expect the same for uncontrov= ersial hardforks?

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