From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDD8C000B for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF4C607EB for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:17:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.803 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.803 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp3.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=jtimon-cc.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YhBiQyH9PCK9 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:17:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-ot1-x32a.google.com (mail-ot1-x32a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32a]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D38C607EE for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id z20-20020a0568301294b02902a52ecbaf18so2721931otp.8 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 05:17:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jtimon-cc.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BtHhek/ANNGbr0bupqmSRpbYHlL5JRFBk0vCM3xpgRI=; b=VktgWslJqW+ARag3ZDvsapz5krecho6WlkOHVyRn3sLXmlJyDQ8yZ7ynX24oh4KlL9 ob9nsWTXgffQSLKhZ3Diqia8/wJWP+k42hbt3xBC1owAyIjCeF/6OZ0yWTtySaPPhdu8 82HutAo8GSjLlH2tHMJ2WKjt71/qS4epfHhM8XSU2ByOjIVq5tQR57MYsIPRCwPmnCKy eKGdvaLVu399opUQap/a6PzVSVRnuF4JcE4Xg0tLddT4JF4wH+oqSbr/rGAjplmNkK5x 2GBXOoaQk+BhMnP2PpkjBXTBNk8yvNLKNvJEq3OYUAvHBa+VQ3i8aQ7qZKe73Ox0e/XZ 1unQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BtHhek/ANNGbr0bupqmSRpbYHlL5JRFBk0vCM3xpgRI=; b=GdlypmYPIwRpCrhxf8gLfxFc7bW7lP+ktHiIRslNZOWobs7QEmN7ei2lZAnnQZEz6s GNIXvLYeK0trom5lzOrJprucGFqaYnYzy9GZGOYYce6zaqyExMY19fLl7J3yJajkYPSh ANnDCrsWBPLn1QaAeCRMXpTcYgaER3UCRk3kNdoNfGYiEXYN6WRFW81tmNtDTX7KASYm Wrfi7ho4UWb/hB//LlaOjaixgtNB9qfZbUq2k9NXE1ly01Os97mDZGSFeaBXLKUMvR67 dPh1aw4HqoTquZ0Wj2+0alnyVtUXTAXdBCM4JSAO8y5VJ1WJooPavGs6YUajq6uD2ydn 0QRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533JMvbBFLxVdQ5X6jJNmY2oQa/YN3h+skC17txhkrO+rm+9PNIY YTITgdaHvrY6yX0oIspQW3GLTHmhUlIU1CaOBh3IZJw3AUg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzbCAYGglrzApmmQt2MZK5gM/q9BKPmh7YFZtSJ+EUlTv1o6bVuekCEEwe0IbMww8FTIpuBNEQeu9Wj9Xfu8RU= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6483:: with SMTP id g3mr19416801otl.332.1619525825419; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 05:17:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202104230209.05373.luke@dashjr.org> <64807e52-14ea-198b-4caf-29be92e89655@mattcorallo.com> <202104252100.07296.luke@dashjr.org> In-Reply-To: <202104252100.07296.luke@dashjr.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 14:16:52 +0200 Message-ID: To: Luke Dashjr , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000087717805c0f33da9" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Reminder on the Purpose of BIPs X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:17:07 -0000 --00000000000087717805c0f33da9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Despite the continual harassment, I have even made two efforts to try to > (fairly) make things faster, and have been obstructed both times by ST > advocates. It appears they intend to paint me as "deliberately refusing" > (to > use your words) in order to try to put Bitcoin and the BIP process under > their control, and abuse it in the same manner in which they abused > Bitcoin > Core's usual standards (by releasing ST without community consensus). > I haven'tpaying attention to the BIPs. But I just want to say I agree it is the case that speed trial didn't have consensus and had many good and logical arguments against it. Sadly discussions around taproot activation I've been lacking logic and having too many irrational arguments appealing to emotions. I'm really disapointed at the community right now. I'm sorry for luke and others defending lot=true (the whole point of bip8 anyway), but I feel ignored and frustrated when I try to participate in these irrational debates. I miss the rational debates here. But if we're gping to turn this list into an irrational place, with ad hominem fallacies and insults, I guess I can say my subjective personal opinion about other people too. I think it is you, Matt, who is playing dumb, not Luke. --00000000000087717805c0f33da9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Despite the continual harassment, I have even made two efforts to try to (fairly) make things faster, and have been obstructed both times by ST
advocates. It appears they intend to paint me as "deliberately refusin= g" (to
use your words) in order to try to put Bitcoin and the BIP process under their control, and abuse it in the same manner in which they abused Bitcoin=
Core's usual standards (by releasing ST without community consensus).

I haven&= #39;tpaying attention to the BIPs.
But I just want t= o say I agree it is the case that speed trial didn't have consensus and= had many good and logical arguments against it.
Sad= ly discussions around taproot activation I've been lacking logic and ha= ving too many irrational arguments appealing to emotions.

I'm really disapointed at the communi= ty right now.
I'm sorry for luke and others defe= nding lot=3Dtrue (the whole point of bip8 anyway), but I feel ignored and f= rustrated when I try to participate in these irrational debates.
I miss the rational debates here.

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But if we're gping to turn this list into an irr= ational place, with ad hominem fallacies and insults, I guess I can say my = subjective personal opinion about other people too.
= I think it is you, Matt, who is playing dumb, not Luke.



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