From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C70E089C for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:29:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f54.google.com (mail-vk0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3210315F for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id g66so40729306vki.1 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 07:29:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jtimon-cc.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SjmOg+fX1FzVpDY+bCmAH+l55fAcyI6H11p592pahfo=; b=YeD6FJgSTJ8r2kpDoxHy8S9FsROPsti46s2sPwRmu2oHdkwtOcBWkPipTHQwfT8w7F s/r1U2y5ubJ6LiOQIZdvka7bkA+X7GFn9EGAC7CPX+xEiEy561nb5yc7dV2lZkYRGUMT dvY+IerflOVsy39LALIR5WWgItIxeJNyiHKMaNKBDGwso4LVV1vrEO/26jCMdtpXOQ9u 2GnFMpktKMSK5WU1iWUxBxqIvw7+LsG09SmvAnBxYB9zL0EVWun0WBK1VFPdHgvJnWcy RpuTaxZGV1j379Y0n30bDA4TFFxzVL7qmCqGKkqSKH3xgm5JirPLZ2nFGTpO5xsJzroW /qxQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SjmOg+fX1FzVpDY+bCmAH+l55fAcyI6H11p592pahfo=; b=gxKjp+FSQbZYLdmb4G9Z0gVbGRsXcSU3/zhLD//saSDOwTjwmUiYb+1wcxq54YqQZI UPh151+NKJGIoJZ9l1RGPb+CLsD3kh9AFdlGwgIGoe3lAU7y43rviT7JFd2br2ahh55X j0nAP+iq9JDQsR8kwN4W1giVDNUeIvv3b7Pueg5wcEU6zxyZhCL6S/GkU8gpzml2RKEg ZYM4LjZjTFowuzxtQbZ+noDvNTWmpghETIdP2xkpH6UV3cLAdm4y4bfGqX8V3AMcnDss KXsuKQZjf1OGzbzy+aCJoxEFhs4QGnonHWnbiDXjmjoGzFtjtWuveWvEjcewl6BovtP4 Dw4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDGrkddZQQB5PoUYjN1GmnB0zTTrYpK8qSoIJEYAcvs5YsSRxKq rx9/83Xv0FIQXShkwp5rXRG/l6MUHklxdqw= X-Received: by 10.31.36.19 with SMTP id k19mr25571711vkk.78.1497191349259; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 07:29:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.52.213 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 07:29:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:29:08 +0200 Message-ID: To: Martijn Meijering Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP149 timeout-- why so far in the future? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:29:10 -0000 On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Martijn Meijering via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Jorge Tim=C3=B3n wrote: > Why not just make sure BIP 149 will never activate unless BIP 141 has > expired unsuccessfully? Right, that would be part of it, as well as not removing the BIP141 deployment with bip9. See https://github.com/jtimon/bitcoin/commit/62efd741740f5c75c43d78358d6318= 941e6d3c04 > If BIP 141 should unexpectly activate, then > BIP 149 nodes would notice and act as pre-SegWit nodes indefinitely, > but remain in consensus with BIP 141 nodes. > > It might be slightly less convenient for BIP 149 users to upgrade > again, but then at least we could start deploying BIP 149 sooner. No, if segwit activates pre nov15, bip149 nodse can detect and interpret that just fine. The problem if it activates post nov15, then you need a separate service bit in the p2p network, for pre-BIP149 will think sw hasn't activated while post-BIP149 would know it has activated. If you release it only after nov15, you don't need to test compatibility between the two for neither of this two cases. Or do you? Actually you only save testing the easier case of pre-nov15 activation. > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev