From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B18FFB1B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 21:08:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2B58215 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 21:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagx9 with SMTP id x9so133254052lag.1 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2015 14:08:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cDcqkWw8GdE84Yp/CdyIIWoRV8pBoJsMEdFGgm4Yqgk=; b=jqKCFZ0Wrhjduu5JGE+62qx0TIzHP4zKED82DLYXC7/9okhbkgeIp7oBsJlf9VBqB/ L1U3QBYI5yOUoTe5ZjIWW4CZzqRCZkDwQPcEgPC1Wij7rJUgklbNfrz0ZzMxMSa2IpUZ wEHkjrghDd+Nwpzb5qwh0e0FDzJV/zu43vps0YDcEtmo/9TcBnRfXXcvmhe2GXqcnNuF 4/5R6QyeTpNtF1aeoo6dC1lVTUsoLmm/FHimJFWN3Y2RLYYtkWzpRh1wWl3eqczFa0oU Oi2qM1r/TLO5gSFy0zY4GaxJNbmqQAuDH6NDL23KKKzdQ1bh/EM8uc6atzt7GqYWmER0 aPOA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.162.38 with SMTP id xx6mr45834142lbb.110.1436130492987; Sun, 05 Jul 2015 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.53.5 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.53.5 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55999C27.4070604@openbitcoinprivacyproject.org> References: <559994A4.5010401@openbitcoinprivacyproject.org> <55999C27.4070604@openbitcoinprivacyproject.org> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 14:08:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: Eric Lombrozo To: Justus Ranvier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01227baae2bea3051a272fca X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Thoughts on Forks, Scalability, and other Bitcoin inconveniences. X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 21:08:15 -0000 --089e01227baae2bea3051a272fca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I was saying that somewhat tongue-in-cheek...sorry that didn't come through in the text. On Jul 5, 2015 2:05 PM, "Justus Ranvier" < justus@openbitcoinprivacyproject.org> wrote: > On 07/05/2015 03:53 PM, Eric Lombrozo wrote: > > Perhaps I didn't write that so well if I gave that impression. Perhaps > > taking a look at some of my work in this space would make you think > > otherwise. (yes, I've implemented an entire SPV stack from scratch...look > > it up.) > > I get concerned when I hear statement like "the raison d'etre of bitcoin > is trustlessness" because it implies that Bitcoin promises infinite > security, which has never been the case. > > I don't think we can meaningfully discuss Bitcoin security issues if > every proposal is compared to a straw standard of perfection which is > achievable. When everybody expects infinite security then the perfect > turns into the enemy of the good (and the achievable). > > -- > Justus Ranvier > Open Bitcoin Privacy Project > http://www.openbitcoinprivacyproject.org/ > justus@openbitcoinprivacyproject.org > E7AD 8215 8497 3673 6D9E 61C4 2A5F DA70 EAD9 E623 > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > --089e01227baae2bea3051a272fca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was saying that somewhat tongue-in-cheek...sorry that didn= 't come through in the text.

On Jul 5, 2015 2:05 PM, "Justus Ranvier&quo= t; <justus@openb= itcoinprivacyproject.org> wrote:
On 07/05/2015 03:53 PM, Eric Lombrozo wrote:
> Perhaps I didn't write that so well if I gave that impression. Per= haps
> taking a look at some of my work in this space would make you think > otherwise. (yes, I've implemented an entire SPV stack from scratch= ...look
> it up.)

I get concerned when I hear statement like "the raison d'etre of b= itcoin
is trustlessness" because it implies that Bitcoin promises infinite security, which has never been the case.

I don't think we can meaningfully discuss Bitcoin security issues if every proposal is compared to a straw standard of perfection which is
achievable. When everybody expects infinite security then the perfect
turns into the enemy of the good (and the achievable).

--
Justus Ranvier
Open Bitcoin Privacy Project
http://www.openbitcoinprivacyproject.org/
justus@openbitcoinp= rivacyproject.org
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