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From: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com>
To: Chris Priest <cp368202@ohiou.edu>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] OP_CHECKWILDCARDSIGVERIFY or "Wildcard Inputs" or "Coalescing Transactions"
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 15:32:37 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABsx9T0A8EczcsE8f3D4WGk-0xsPadupBVgH5_kTs=GEhOq_9g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAcC9yuM+dG+mJn_0vPqZuig5cHqeF-xgszw-zzD3D9UKRsyrQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Chris Priest via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> The technical reason for this is that you have to explicitly list each
> UTXO individually when making bitcoin transactions. There is no way to
> say "all the utxos". This post describes a way to achieve this. I'm
> not yet a bitcoin master, so there are parts of this proposal that I
> have not yet figured out entirely, but I'm sure other people who know
> more could help out.
>

So every input has:
 32-byte hash (transaction being spent)
 4-byte output (output being spent)
 4-byte sequence number
... plus the scriptSig. Which is as small as about 73 bytes if you're
spending a raw OP_CHECKSIG (which you can't do as a bitcoin address, but
could via the BIP70 payment protocol), and which is at least two serialized
bytes.

Best case for any scheme to coalesce scriptSigs would to somehow make
all-but-the-first scriptSig zero-length, so the inputs would be 42 bytes
instead of 40+73 bytes -- the coalesce transaction would be about one-third
the size, so instead of paying (say) $1 in transaction fees you'd pay 37
cents.

That's in the gray are of the "worth doing" threshold-- if it was a 10x
improvement (pay 10 cents instead of $1) it'd be in my personal "definitely
worth the trouble of doing" category.

RE: the scheme:  an OP_RINGSIGVERIFY is probably the right way to do this:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_signature

The funding transactions would be:  <public key> OP_RINGSIGVERIFY
... which might could be redeemed with <ring signature> for one input and
then... uhh... maybe just <index_to_input_with_signature> for the other
inputs that are part of the same ring signature group (OP_0 if the first
input has the signature that is good for all the other public keys, which
would be the common case).

-- 
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Gavin Andresen

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-24 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-24 17:34 [bitcoin-dev] OP_CHECKWILDCARDSIGVERIFY or "Wildcard Inputs" or "Coalescing Transactions" Chris Priest
2015-11-24 20:32 ` Gavin Andresen [this message]
2015-11-24 21:01   ` Chris Priest
2015-11-24 21:51 ` Bryan Bishop
2015-11-24 23:28   ` Dave Scotese
2015-11-24 23:48     ` Chris Priest
2015-11-25  0:38       ` Jannes Faber
2015-11-25  1:26         ` Chris Priest
2015-11-25 14:16           ` Erik
2015-11-25 15:41             ` Trevin Hofmann
2015-11-25 17:03             ` Dave Scotese

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