From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WzAeF-0003gk-Mf for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:15:27 +0000 Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com ([209.85.217.178]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1WzAeD-0006pd-T6 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:15:27 +0000 Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 10so5338765lbg.9 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:15:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yvesGUDDFf9Qtr5mDfdftRMrS+GgOIBgIu8sZGD5GuY=; b=ddSGwlwHHqgVjkwFVqv2b+OWbLT0oTQKFz7cJNX/I/HH1sSXaPHjdQdTYAPaFGrhim wIvl2MuOHbzuqmT6z59WgCnueJtYKVPfKpA6w3EX6drt7/eKi5//JyeuvR8tCc7sjfgA Zg7Z2vy3j827FaOqlfCXpCq0eByhbe9AbquvXI/FxDYomd0mjkeOzZDDQSsq87Fa6bKD mNFNTxpcqLQbjq/MYuAwEIeDr3MfCIQfmWqyRE7qcBRbnOvcN6H2fpKQa/QhNDcnyj2k wDHV6+8YaJZq+t0tBCrrQbcgBpGPE6kcsIn6Nr20LDCtIWYCHeglvOpYu+4jt/e+Pfve 5AHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmNG5T3L/lGhqHkQMxy+euqxkZTdetWmCxvuT1g4vYnVpyfYHNoUv6SUEhF24GVLY/S5ZnC MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.157.130 with SMTP id wm2mr18019747lbb.38.1403554519128; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.185.4 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:15:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [85.53.220.49] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:15:19 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= To: Wladimir Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. X-Headers-End: 1WzAeD-0006pd-T6 Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Plans to separate wallet from core X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:15:27 -0000 On 6/23/14, Wladimir wrote: > It's least surprising if the wallet works as a SPV client by default. > Then, users can use it without first setting up a core. Thus the idea > would be to use P2P primarily. So first bitcoind will support SPV mode then we separate the wallet? Are the core and the wallet share any code (say, the p2p messages via a sub-repo or something)? > There could be a mode to use a trusted core by RPC for > mempool/conflicted transaction validation and such. But I'm not sure > about this - as we've seen, pure-SPV wallets work pretty well. If you > want it to act as an edge router you can point a SPV wallet at your > trusted core as well. I thought we would first separate wallet from core (maintaining the full-node wallet status) and then implement an optional SPV mode for the core (and transitively for "qt-wallet", which would support both full and SPV mode). > There are no plans for adding Electrum-like functionality to bitcoind. > There is already Electrum. Let's not reinvent any wheels. I'm sorry, but I still don't know what Electrum has to do with all this. Bitcoin companies often like to interface with the network via bitcoind nodes, what's wrong with their custom wallets consuming some optional indexes from a bitcoind node their run themselves? I'm not proposing a "bitcoind-client" similar to a electrum-client. I thought it was assumed you where still going to run both the core and the wallet and we just wanted to separate the code for better modularity. Seriously, Mike also said something about Electrum too and I'm really lost about what you people mean here. > It does not need to keep a full chain database. But it needs its own > record of the chain, headers-only + what concerns the keys in the > wallet. Why cannot consume that data from a bitcoind node that always run alongside it? I still don't get the plan but it feels like it won't look as DRY as I was expecting...