From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VzOZL-0000C0-C3 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:35:03 +0000 Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1VzOZK-0006wu-1e for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:35:03 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e16so795365lan.17 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:34:55 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yfposHb3jb0JVk8W2kEGMvfd2bCs7N5Us3dt0VBu0xA=; b=DOqOZRwMTWhs8995JKVH9xuBJo3WVc60ZcPbJO2/nps03q/9B33lC/A3B4V9O2xPWw 2TdsZr4LBduiLcneLhrkrF9vzXOaDqp4wZd36gxd0DCcI6+3QTkVkCCf5Zol70FNXAYu +iqipDH1gQ9GkQ4cQoKFOCyhSSAnrWONFqYJrMkegNWqAxUXACH7ZVEKH7M8eeKohA2F SWfilGjPKGzxvJp2wzwFrWodLu/xKEUnDZ6kmNxMB/kuxdJ7q9DN7TmIZ0p+h8L9vtUz x7sjVTzrbc4t+XXJrDw2+Mt9ho2PYFSCGzNbo7ogJwJvHUrgw778aEgA5AirSVgj7htS JsyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnSeEYArI+UhlQJaGJx0VR4JVzETlWJJQLhlG3NoP4ogIXvqa4RmL6sJ+Ko0v5tmhm5oFM1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.144.69 with SMTP id sk5mr388307lbb.44.1388831695192; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.74.71 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 02:34:55 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [85.53.148.187] In-Reply-To: References: <20131230232225.GA10594@tilt> <201312310114.05600.luke@dashjr.org> <9aaa913f73f45db41d94d93d02eed3fa@astutium.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 11:34:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Tim=F3n?= To: David Vorick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. X-Headers-End: 1VzOZK-0006wu-1e Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Merge mining X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:35:03 -0000 On 1/4/14, David Vorick wrote: > It's meant to be in favor of merge mining. > > Dogecoin uses scrypt, which is a very popular algorithm. Also, MS windows is a very popular operative system. That's a fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum > If any large > currency were to be attacked through merge mining, it would probably be > litecoin miners attacking dogecoin. But if you control enough of the > litecoin network to do attack mining against dogecoin, you almost certain= ly > have a huge vested interest in cryptocurrencies doing well. Wait, wait, is Dogecoin merge-mineable with litecoin? It could be if its developers wanted to, but I highly doubt it. Precisely because of the myths spread against merged mining. > By attacking > dogecoin successfully, you'll cast doubt on the entire cryptocurrency > ecosystem and hurt yourself in the process. You shouldn't make such assumptions about the interests of a potential atta= cker. For example, even being of the "cryptocurrency ecosystem" I could consider that their slogans and videos are confusing newcomers and they're really harming the general image of p2p currencies by associating them with mad speculation and pump and dump schemes. Being heavily involved in this "ecosystem", I would be very happy if dogecoin disappeared tomorrow. Personally I've never mined anything, but if I had the resources I would actually consider such an attack. Again, I think we're getting off-topic with perrocoin. It hardly has anything to do with MM. > On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 5:05 AM, Jorge Tim=F3n wrote: > >> On 1/4/14, David Vorick wrote: >> > If you have the resources to attack one of the bigger altcoins, you >> > probably have a significant investment in the cryptocurrency space, an= d >> > a >> > significant interest in protecting it. Compromising even something lik= e >> > dogecoin would cause a lot of questions to be raised and likely drop >> > the >> > value of bitcoin as well as all the cryptocurrencies using the same >> > work >> > function as dogecoin. >> > >> > Right now, there's very little benefit to attacking a significant >> currency, >> > because it would be very expensive and likely traumatize the whole >> system. >> > Unless it's some power like the NSA, I don't think there's much to >> > worry >> > about. >> >> The launch thread says it clear: "very scrypt, such random, much >> profit, wow, many coin". >> So it seems that Dogecoin doesn't use SHA256 like Bitcoin, but scrypt >> like most of the other scamcoins. >> Anyway, I don't see anything in your comment in favor or against >> merged mining... >> > --=20 Jorge Tim=F3n http://freico.in/