From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WOGA4-0007vE-37 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 00:39:44 +0000 Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com ([209.85.215.52]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1WOGA2-0000Ls-Oo for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 00:39:44 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ec20so1232070lab.39 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:39:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vk8JUUQRsbHeDVbTTptgvxgSR1D5KNhcGkRCds+Xf+A=; b=Tw91znwVDwi/ThrfgjBPbJF9Lq67iI0JcywoL70ORBIoXmGNY0mukKxYD+Q23D7syo N1qAzJnFRbwQV4Uv+aJ/71HHIqXaeI8JhLwZSBbtubzX9A9gNNVD9Qy8LGx6FDzRGBt9 4JUpU0xIcTdjEF+e96J0H+q39W/HFoKvE5rQD6q2nleazkmfNrWauhzIU18BDp+lUZr6 gyEYBhbMXU5ksUpzFvjBFjS6GbENo31ZfuGtBFl3sZIKllK6ufoBQ6W9l79kUc5hj/Zv dmS2Cr1PMH7k23F7FLykoYkCScigpJqD1UgTDvnGXPEEt+HrkqI7XtniWroOWplEBVjk LBPw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn0EzvcMSGFm1JdMirsImkfdG9NHCzD+CFJerzwerNVeXntZSpqsNE5NJ5Orz3ldPm/RPcD MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.160.200 with SMTP id xm8mr3058243lbb.24.1394757255275; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.62.136 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:34:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [108.193.6.130] In-Reply-To: References: <52852C2D.9020103@gmail.com> <52853D8A.6010501@monetize.io> <20140313160850.GW3180@nl.grid.coop> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:34:15 -0700 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Tim=F3n?= To: Mike Hearn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. X-Headers-End: 1WOGA2-0000Ls-Oo Cc: Wendell , Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 00:39:44 -0000 On 3/13/14, Mike Hearn wrote: >> >> You would only need to change it if there was a sub-satoshi hardfork, >> which doesn't seem necessary anytime soon. >> > > + > > We shouldn't make any assumptions about the future price of bitcoin to make >> the decision. >> > > Hmmm ;) Didn't you just make an assumption about the future price? You can just remove my assertion about the likeliness of the need of sub-satoshis and the main claim still stands. > The currencies I'm familiar with are CHF, USD, EUR and GBP, which all have > roughly similar values. I guess such currencies make up the bulk of the > Bitcoin userbase at the moment. Fair enough, not US-centric but western-centric then. In any case the "3000 micros will look like expensive" claim is still very relative. >> "People seem to like mBTC" is just an ad populum fallacy: millions of >> flies can actually be wrong. Also you haven't showed them micros, >> maybe they like it too. > > > Saying "it's already popular and would take work to change" is not really a > fallacy now, is it? No, it's not. That's what I said the current adoption by some wallets and services was the only valid argument immediately after dismantling the actual fallacy. Did you missed that last sentence or are you intentionally using a straw man argument? In summary, yes, that's point is valid, I'm not saying it isn't. I just wanted to keep us away from the rest argument but pointing out they are not logic. I repeat, that's the ONLY valid argument I've heard so far.