From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10081B61 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 06:18:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f46.google.com (mail-vk0-f46.google.com [209.85.213.46]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BC3090 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 06:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vk0-f46.google.com with SMTP id r69so106621104vke.2 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 23:18:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nNvPfJACMj4U1JyO00RX2WQeChnZrLC9W0KMlmnPxG4=; b=crwPKmfeF8sR6bBW1IwdhJLS6BhMg5BzVyyBNJ7h+iXMDaoRwv+xg5mFhu6dqH+7Qc JRuKRJItnEpj73UafkFdQ3tyO+7oe779lols/cfa1p9LVSxUfqK3ycr3/G2W48e4Jt+p umsQpXptfThOuZdKOXMlLmKwRZu8AeMt4czujYir9IvIS2GQnjRsjX9wtm8e5cuzrHaU FyniOoGtOTSVvnG+7ahwK+biA6ncSze2A33tQ1aWTTjhiOG3M2C+hpsCTnV1W8SZ89U9 xyhURb+zeLmFt+GPqL9fQbzLZHskLdsMpOfgscEKdeh6v8oTu4gUhkkxYZCQYnSwGSu+ Gxsw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=nNvPfJACMj4U1JyO00RX2WQeChnZrLC9W0KMlmnPxG4=; b=uQNnyHj7geFcnwUtkJl1U9TL1eOBAWH7L+1TcHtfKKaK+MU4yYM1jO3WXI/EksFSgg /ySbLpy+PtIoE0e0c05bKHzbPdtCs4E6amCK/OWh7kTy052JQZPxIHPLIAIOJinHezcs 5uMpVN8R4wJZlYzXeYktLggPuRa9bwYJlk8MObvXNH78Hgi8wHQV31oGXYnw51Zr1urb EuOGF/HCITv7vQFlpM4iYyhd8tYItu/uXHpSzkG3xExrHHchb1WpmXCGD72nGQUor85D FkhyBQQJ4YuL1bWFA46aajlVLUGighx/Z84i7Gf37zMoteUJQm5kyPrdRpnIjGoiLaJT wapA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2SpKF4P6oUbffmJTkz+OU3ThskFTn9CRGKNDUyXZM8uuDaTLqsJNC76m44LwY3p/U7jH1wuaONka6Dfw== X-Received: by 10.31.47.213 with SMTP id v204mr3297726vkv.2.1491027510634; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 23:18:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.157.143 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 23:18:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9eb001f8-7623-3c79-41bb-7ed6e45b43ae@voskuil.org> References: <9eb001f8-7623-3c79-41bb-7ed6e45b43ae@voskuil.org> From: Jared Lee Richardson Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 23:18:29 -0700 Message-ID: To: Eric Voskuil , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 14:37:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 06:18:32 -0000 > If a typical personal computer cannot run a node > there is no security. If you can't describe an attack that is made possible when typical personal computers can't run nodes, this kind of logic has no place in this discussion. On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 03/31/2017 02:23 PM, Rodney Morris via bitcoin-dev wrote: >> If the obsession with every personal computer being able to run a >> fill node continues then bitcoin will be consigned to the dustbin >> of history, > > The cause of the block size debate is the failure to understand the > Bitcoin security model. This failure is perfectly exemplified by the > above statement. If a typical personal computer cannot run a node > there is no security. > > e > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJY3uJ8AAoJEDzYwH8LXOFOrBoH/1VdXQObKZ2JPHL387Sd8qT4 > zzWt8tKFD+6/uCS8re97h1lZcbwb3EzBOB1J15mJ3fqTOU/rPCitN+JZAMgpw/z9 > NGNp4KQDHo3vLiWWOq2GhJzyVAOcDKYLsY8/NrHK91OtABD2XIq9gERwRoZZE4rb > OPSjSAGvDK8cki72O7HpyEKX5WEyHsHNK/JmBDdTjlzkMcNEbBlYMgO24RC6x+UA > 8Fh17rOcfGv6amIbmS7mK3EMkkGL83WmsgJKXNl4inI1R8z5hVKRqOFMPxmTDXVc > dEHtw8poHOX1Ld85m0+Tk2S7IdH66PCnhsKL9l6vlH02uAvLNfKxb+291q2g3YU= > =HPCK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev