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From: Jared Lee Richardson <jaredr26@gmail.com>
To: David Vorick <david.vorick@gmail.com>,
	 Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 13:32:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAD1TkXtze_TVegXz4AeJCxK59+cuwRQ=w4upzX+HoQ90Py52OA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFVRnyqxQhu0c-ACfzR5=Z=C1SbR70jrfCaCeEdfSJASSnzpqw@mail.gmail.com>

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> Perhaps you are fortunate to have a home computer that has more than a
single 512GB SSD. Lots of consumer hardware has that little storage.

That's very poor logic, sorry.  Restricted-space SSD's are not a
cost-effective hardware option for running a node.  Keeping blocksizes
small has significant other costs for everyone.  Comparing the cost of
running a node under arbitrary conditons A, B, or C when there are far more
efficient options than any of those is a very bad way to think about the
costs of running a node.  You basically have to ignore the significant
consequences of keeping blocks small.

If node operational costs rose to the point where an entire wide swath of
users that we do actually need for security purposes could not justify
running a node, that's something important for consideration.  For me, that
translates to modern hardware that's relatively well aligned with the needs
of running a node - perhaps budget hardware, but still modern - and
above-average bandwidth caps.

You're free to disagree, but your example only makes sense to me if
blocksize caps didn't have serious consequences.  Even if those
consequences are just the threat of a contentious fork by people who are
mislead about the real consequences, that threat is still a consequence
itself.

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:18 AM, David Vorick via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Perhaps you are fortunate to have a home computer that has more than a
> single 512GB SSD. Lots of consumer hardware has that little storage. Throw
> on top of it standard consumer usage, and you're often left with less than
> 200 GB of free space. Bitcoin consumes more than half of that, which feels
> very expensive, especially if it motivates you to buy another drive.
>
> I have talked to several people who cite this as the primary reason that
> they are reluctant to join the full node club.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-29 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-28 16:59 [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting Wang Chun
2017-03-28 17:13 ` Matt Corallo
2017-03-29  8:45   ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-28 17:23 ` Alphonse Pace
2017-03-28 17:31   ` Wang Chun
2017-03-28 17:33     ` Jeremy
2017-03-28 17:50     ` Douglas Roark
2017-03-28 17:33   ` Juan Garavaglia
2017-03-28 17:53     ` Alphonse Pace
2017-03-28 22:36       ` Juan Garavaglia
2017-03-29  2:59         ` Luv Khemani
2017-03-29  6:24         ` Emin Gün Sirer
2017-03-29 15:34           ` Johnson Lau
2017-04-01 16:15             ` Leandro Coutinho
2017-03-29  9:16       ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-29 16:00         ` Aymeric Vitte
2017-03-28 17:34 ` Johnson Lau
2017-03-28 17:46   ` Luke Dashjr
2017-03-28 20:50   ` Tom Zander
2017-03-29  4:21     ` Johnson Lau
2017-03-28 20:48 ` Tom Zander
2017-03-29  6:32 ` Bram Cohen
2017-03-29  9:37   ` Jorge Timón
2017-03-29 19:07     ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-04-02 19:02       ` Staf Verhaegen
2017-03-29  7:49 ` Martin Lízner
2017-03-29 15:57   ` David Vorick
2017-03-29 16:08     ` Aymeric Vitte
     [not found]       ` <CAFVRnyo1XGNbq_F8UfqqJWHCVH14iMCUMU-R5bOh+h3mtwSUJg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-29 16:18         ` David Vorick
2017-03-29 16:20           ` Andrew Johnson
2017-03-29 16:25             ` David Vorick
2017-03-29 16:41               ` Andrew Johnson
2017-03-29 17:14                 ` Aymeric Vitte
2017-03-29 20:53               ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-29 20:32           ` Jared Lee Richardson [this message]
2017-03-29 21:36             ` praxeology_guy
2017-03-29 22:33             ` Aymeric Vitte
2017-03-30  5:23               ` Ryan J Martin
2017-03-30 10:30                 ` Tom Zander
2017-03-30 16:44                   ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-30 20:51                   ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-30 21:57                     ` Tom Zander
     [not found]               ` <CAD1TkXvx=RKvjC8BUstwtQxUUQwG4eiU9XmF1wr=bU=xcVg5WQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-30 10:13                 ` Aymeric Vitte
2017-03-29 19:46     ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-29 19:10   ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-29 19:36     ` praxeology_guy
2017-04-02 19:12     ` Staf Verhaegen
2017-03-28 19:56 Paul Iverson
2017-03-28 20:16 ` Pieter Wuille
2017-03-28 20:43 ` Tom Zander
2017-03-28 20:53   ` Alphonse Pace
2017-03-28 21:06     ` Luke Dashjr
2017-03-29 19:33 Daniele Pinna
2017-03-29 20:28 ` Peter R
2017-03-29 22:17   ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-29 20:28 ` David Vorick
2017-03-29 22:08   ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-30  7:11     ` Luv Khemani
2017-03-30 17:16       ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-31  4:21         ` Luv Khemani
2017-03-31  5:28           ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-31  8:19             ` Luv Khemani
2017-03-31 15:59               ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-31 16:14                 ` David Vorick
2017-03-31 16:46                   ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-31 18:23                     ` David Vorick
2017-03-31 18:58                       ` Eric Voskuil
2017-04-01  6:15                       ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-29 19:50 Raystonn .
2017-03-30 10:34 ` Tom Zander
2017-03-30 11:19   ` David Vorick
2017-03-30 21:42     ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-03-30 11:24   ` Aymeric Vitte
2017-03-31 21:23 Rodney Morris
2017-03-31 23:13 ` Eric Voskuil
     [not found]   ` <CABerxhGeofH4iEonjB1xKOkHcEVJrR+D4QhHSw5cWYsjmW4JpQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-04-01  1:41     ` Rodney Morris
2017-04-01  6:18   ` Jared Lee Richardson
2017-04-01  7:41     ` Eric Voskuil
     [not found]       ` <CAAt2M1_sHsCD_AX-vm-oy-4tY+dKoDAJhfVUc4tnoNBFn-a+Dg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <CAAt2M19Gt8PmcPUGUHKm2kpMskpN4soF6M-Rb46HazKMV2D9mg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-04-01 14:45           ` Natanael
     [not found]       ` <CAD1TkXusCe-O3CGQkXyRw_m3sXS9grGxMqkMk8dOvFNXeV5zGQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-04-01 18:42         ` Jared Lee Richardson
     [not found]   ` <CAAt2M1_kuCBQWd9dis5UwJX8+XGVPjjiOA54aD74iS2L0cYcTQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <CAAt2M19Nr2KdyRkM_arJ=LBnqDQQyLQ2QQ-UBC8=gFnemCdPMg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-04-01 13:26       ` Natanael

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