From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EF8292B for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 18:42:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ua0-f182.google.com (mail-ua0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C80AF297 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 18:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ua0-f182.google.com with SMTP id d64so10556438uad.2 for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2017 11:42:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vdnRqLgL/Mwg+BNXLqxU6mcgya4Rl5ixgZQkJQhf12s=; b=Mc4GyWb8tPM7VtS0nZfuQEkJXFpTjprW4xvBQIEpQsfoTkGiLIj/6w8fzh1Y9AUgn+ bpj9gbZMIfsnmgou0ztnEKjNX91So/hXQBlU1yKufvIvNFS/iOD8+skxGjDzhwCTnl5g VRtMyL8cKJOKLoOD3HEcemlJz+gdgdmYWs8fkSe+5w3OTd/wE8fTLCStj+BmtK+bBikT f+ZnQV0xTj0Xbvra84llR+3PwsHcTMhe3V1GK7g4IJOI1ONMtSFBG7K396Tsa3iX0YDh Vvuj3hksznusYL7GStSX6R+xRdZ+fFlATDu+h9OTOnpGRNl0LxXM8ndrPBV21tZs13m1 LixA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vdnRqLgL/Mwg+BNXLqxU6mcgya4Rl5ixgZQkJQhf12s=; b=o9LEDbW56KlYC33US0u/0OPxQFjUumfs1dLAjkR3i1oTqfKYAWqNC1c646OkjBWLB0 QpBcSrRfTH290KAgk1ZbJSVL3R12d/afXQPFSqgpaRZqaJQvjo+A9RTjg6W/fdqQMp0u DrlzgL6ONCgoXBv0QawUr0eyAzq/BTnl1kcDS31avunXtMnWLcyLj3HUrBSgqEe5aqyg 0GRyVXkmQ2iFsCa013OIUCYClWk2YQ8tkLw7cW15AFRswxBnET4A0l9+qi25iL7zIkSf rKHC/dO0IX4XyHbhEgrtb6kG9amR9hUpeC0OV9T/kgW2rGnz8i9PCMDuUy+sZGCpvKAZ Exng== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3EayLiYeKDtlFqhZvbMYl1Zh/fViX7KMPhQ+EAWoZugFNzKGXuU23u/eiD6OwXBlrlt5pFRjLC1R0qUg== X-Received: by 10.176.4.40 with SMTP id 37mr5009680uav.58.1491072171870; Sat, 01 Apr 2017 11:42:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.157.143 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 11:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.157.143 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 11:42:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9eb001f8-7623-3c79-41bb-7ed6e45b43ae@voskuil.org> <2a2b6fc0-f800-2646-55b3-1501cb5d5a30@voskuil.org> From: Jared Lee Richardson Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 11:42:50 -0700 Message-ID: To: Eric Voskuil Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c06b71623925e054c1f4b2f X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_OBFUSCATE_10_20, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 18:44:51 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 18:42:53 -0000 --94eb2c06b71623925e054c1f4b2f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That's a quoted general statement that is highly subjective, not a description of an attack. If you can't articulate a specific attack vector that we're defending against, such a defense has no value. On Apr 1, 2017 12:41 AM, "Eric Voskuil" wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 03/31/2017 11:18 PM, Jared Lee Richardson wrote: >> If a typical personal computer cannot run a node there is no >> security. > > If you can't describe an attack that is made possible when typical > personal computers can't run nodes, this kind of logic has no place > in this discussion. "Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks..." e -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJY31m0AAoJEDzYwH8LXOFOayIH/0DcWukHZUVTV8952mkWnqjS RCM8StQOuuTQ/2elvKoZa/nEv1PvpOQEO/AxJDEdIKOqjdXoc/QdZT/Qj834yyFi mmNLm3x8voO7rTFEVtBrXQ4VYO7Zj5gVy6nRyMrhSGtzg4XqYiyGVoijiumfXOvq ejLwyWJEf8klBwegIPkX4XX6UYjNyBt+E32Je7NxUbi54EPDRszWpEGGKfJrWiCQ JO2jqB3O2RbMd0J1onBt2AGsjeQSE3HO0EBQSkdGQZ7PVSdE3I49uT2aAaScnPOt ymbNz4QtlUWWpUgEI6VSjxHCGjX4+Vrn3HLRwjLe4nS2EX3mOVNY8MHMvbCeAuY= =tD9k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --94eb2c06b71623925e054c1f4b2f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's a quoted general statement that is highly= subjective, not a description of an attack.=C2=A0 If you can't articul= ate a specific attack vector that we're defending against, such a defen= se has no value.

On Apr 1, 2017 12:41 AM, "Eric Voskuil" <eric@voskuil.org> wrote:
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On 03/31/2017 11:18 PM, Jared Lee Richards= on wrote:
>> If a typical personal computer cannot run a node there is no
>> security.
>
> If you can't describe an attack that is made possible when typical=
> personal computers can't run nodes, this kind of logic has no plac= e
> in this discussion.

"Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks..."

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