From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E03479C for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 21:09:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f50.google.com (mail-vk0-f50.google.com [209.85.213.50]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19BB8108 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 21:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id p62so10140625vkp.0 for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 14:09:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=De4y6Rd4AUKdhbF3htn8sLuo/XZQIa7NeTOs8TujJEs=; b=JD0+UhPkcupVGzvEqCt21livOLqM1hpTYabsmeM0nyqBVOKWZoZ28DVS1qw9UajEfh T7A6xDGO46Ttr2MDjZa+ATUlPAPjKRVOxZlrff8NBEodpaAjkQ0YIjupobCFm15w2raK NObMZrMftRNk5PZMACGXif1oLb3VdVCWj6an3a35TGqtUPD2ulp9BhDdbgDdHuKOyVJO MZrVxZbUVACD5xn2DyDRMbgAESZDDsssJdKYTXY4saY16g+YZPW5qGAxGEgJWcIBcQ/t R0DpL7J/lBOgWqwO4HKDeCV1qfCIJQZc6QxGfWZOXDL4Lcimgg6RRyF1xVAEuqeIYl0Z O54g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=De4y6Rd4AUKdhbF3htn8sLuo/XZQIa7NeTOs8TujJEs=; b=GCtqq5Y191yEtQfGE86qfEo2nZpJDqo4nHJ9LLK2c0WhKjagsMyzsUjn49fz/g3AwR /6Cf9o/NN7HQDwfUH6tOdchj8wJnpJzvVHJuW3XWSj/sHXdcGLjWt5bgS3Um+Ulolit9 uC/f6ikIa7qT5+dIt/dhtzgBmL5ZA5NvrJ1ev1noyPD+X5KcL1Qx0MRNEcbOwaac5Z0W lRhuyZVGWLLORu8nA5P54yer041JTpf+9ExXPed/fDkoqLKFnadJQDU31Nq7x8oDEd9Y BRBABeK70WhKlpMWKNVc0drV3b7+bM3FB90gs47gYDZYaw57i8Mrfw4KYcLSTWth0qmI rP4w== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDjeSMjdpRMHaEKP4UhvwSXzBDoehuc3OmIBw78FSOMve8x6m6A /QCcEFDPFYMN89kG/ThpGXgETdxlXw== X-Received: by 10.31.2.204 with SMTP id 195mr13585529vkc.65.1496869745050; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 14:09:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.157.215 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 14:09:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0CDEF5A2-0BAF-46E4-8906-39D4724AF3F2@taoeffect.com> From: Jared Lee Richardson Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 14:09:04 -0700 Message-ID: To: Erik Aronesty Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 21:45:04 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] User Activated Soft Fork Split Protection X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 21:09:09 -0000 > This is, by far, the safest way for miners to quickly defend against a ch= ain split, much better than a -bip148 option. This allows miners to defen= d themselves, with very little risk, since the defense is only activated if= the majority of miners do so. I would move for a very rapid deployment. = Only miners would need to upgrade. Regular users would not have to concer= n themselves with this release. FYI, even if very successful, this deployment and change may have a severe negative impact on a small group of miners. Any miners/pools who are not actively following the forums, news, or these discussions may be difficult to reach and communicate with in time, particularly with language barriers. Of those, any who are also either not signaling segwit currently or are running an older software version will have their blocks continuously and constantly orphaned, but may not have any alarms or notifications set up for such an unexpected failure. That may or may not be a worthy consideration, but it is definitely brusque and a harsh price to pay. Considering the opposition mentioned against transaction limits for the rare cases where a very large transaction has already been signed, it seems that this would be worthy of consideration. For the few miners in that situation, it does turn segwit from an optional softfork into a punishing hardfork. I don't think that's a sufficient reason alone to kill the idea, but it should be a concern. Jared On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev wrote: > This is, by far, the safest way for miners to quickly defend against a ch= ain > split, much better than a -bip148 option. This allows miners to defend > themselves, with very little risk, since the defense is only activated if > the majority of miners do so. I would move for a very rapid deployment. > Only miners would need to upgrade. Regular users would not have to conc= ern > themselves with this release. > > On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:13 AM, James Hilliard via bitcoin-dev > wrote: >> >> I think even 55% would probably work out fine simply due to incentive >> structures, once signalling is over 51% it's then clear to miners that >> non-signalling blocks will be orphaned and the rest will rapidly >> update to splitprotection/BIP148. The purpose of this BIP is to reduce >> chain split risk for BIP148 since it's looking like BIP148 is going to >> be run by a non-insignificant percentage of the economy at a minimum. >> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Tao Effect wrot= e: >> > See thread on replay attacks for why activating regardless of threshol= d >> > is a >> > bad idea [1]. >> > >> > BIP91 OTOH seems perfectly reasonable. 80% instead of 95% makes it mor= e >> > difficult for miners to hold together in opposition to Core. It gives >> > Core >> > more leverage in negotiations. >> > >> > If they don't activate with 80%, Core can release another BIP to reduc= e >> > it >> > to 75%. >> > >> > Each threshold reduction makes it both more likely to succeed, but als= o >> > increases the likelihood of harm to the ecosystem. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Greg >> > >> > [1] >> > >> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-June/0144= 97.html >> > >> > -- >> > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also >> > sharing >> > with the NSA. >> > >> > On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:54 PM, James Hilliard >> > wrote: >> > >> > This is a BIP8 style soft fork so mandatory signalling will be active >> > after Aug 1st regardless. >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Tao Effect >> > wrote: >> > >> > What is the probability that a 65% threshold is too low and can allow = a >> > "surprise miner attack", whereby miners are kept offline before the >> > deadline, and brought online immediately after, creating potential >> > havoc? >> > >> > (Nit: "simple majority" usually refers to >50%, I think, might cause >> > confusion.) >> > >> > -Greg Slepak >> > >> > -- >> > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also >> > sharing >> > with the NSA. >> > >> > On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:56 PM, James Hilliard via bitcoin-dev >> > wrote: >> > >> > Due to the proposed calendar(https://segwit2x.github.io/) for the >> > SegWit2x agreement being too slow to activate SegWit mandatory >> > signalling ahead of BIP148 using BIP91 I would like to propose another >> > option that miners can use to prevent a chain split ahead of the Aug >> > 1st BIP148 activation date. >> > >> > The splitprotection soft fork is essentially BIP91 but using BIP8 >> > instead of BIP9 with a lower activation threshold and immediate >> > mandatory signalling lock-in. This allows for a majority of miners to >> > activate mandatory SegWit signalling and prevent a potential chain >> > split ahead of BIP148 activation. >> > >> > This BIP allows for miners to respond to market forces quickly ahead >> > of BIP148 activation by signalling for splitprotection. Any miners >> > already running BIP148 should be encouraged to use splitprotection. >> > >> > 
>> > BIP: splitprotection
>> > Layer: Consensus (soft fork)
>> > Title: User Activated Soft Fork Split Protection
>> > Author: James Hilliard 
>> > Comments-Summary: No comments yet.
>> > Comments-URI:
>> > Status: Draft
>> > Type: Standards Track
>> > Created: 2017-05-22
>> > License: BSD-3-Clause
>> >          CC0-1.0
>> >
>> > >> > =3D=3DAbstract=3D=3D >> > >> > This document specifies a coordination mechanism for a simple majority >> > of miners to prevent a chain split ahead of BIP148 activation. >> > >> > =3D=3DDefinitions=3D=3D >> > >> > "existing segwit deployment" refer to the BIP9 "segwit" deployment >> > using bit 1, between November 15th 2016 and November 15th 2017 to >> > activate BIP141, BIP143 and BIP147. >> > >> > =3D=3DMotivation=3D=3D >> > >> > The biggest risk of BIP148 is an extended chain split, this BIP >> > provides a way for a simple majority of miners to eliminate that risk. >> > >> > This BIP provides a way for a simple majority of miners to coordinate >> > activation of the existing segwit deployment with less than 95% >> > hashpower before BIP148 activation. Due to time constraints unless >> > immediately deployed BIP91 will likely not be able to enforce >> > mandatory signalling of segwit before the Aug 1st activation of >> > BIP148. This BIP provides a method for rapid miner activation of >> > SegWit mandatory signalling ahead of the BIP148 activation date. Since >> > the primary goal of this BIP is to reduce the chance of an extended >> > chain split as much as possible we activate using a simple miner >> > majority of 65% over a 504 block interval rather than a higher >> > percentage. This BIP also allows miners to signal their intention to >> > run BIP148 in order to prevent a chain split. >> > >> > =3D=3DSpecification=3D=3D >> > >> > While this BIP is active, all blocks must set the nVersion header top >> > 3 bits to 001 together with bit field (1<<1) (according to the >> > existing segwit deployment). Blocks that do not signal as required >> > will be rejected. >> > >> > =3D=3DDeployment=3D=3D >> > >> > This BIP will be deployed by "version bits" with a 65%(this can be >> > adjusted if desired) activation threshold BIP9 with the name >> > "splitprotecion" and using bit 2. >> > >> > This BIP starts immediately and is a BIP8 style soft fork since >> > mandatory signalling will start on midnight August 1st 2017 (epoch >> > time 1501545600) regardless of whether or not this BIP has reached its >> > own signalling threshold. This BIP will cease to be active when segwit >> > is locked-in. >> > >> > =3D=3D=3D Reference implementation =3D=3D=3D >> > >> > 
>> > // Check if Segregated Witness is Locked In
>> > bool IsWitnessLockedIn(const CBlockIndex* pindexPrev, const
>> > Consensus::Params& params)
>> > {
>> >   LOCK(cs_main);
>> >   return (VersionBitsState(pindexPrev, params,
>> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT, versionbitscache) =3D=3D
>> > THRESHOLD_LOCKED_IN);
>> > }
>> >
>> > // SPLITPROTECTION mandatory segwit signalling.
>> > if ( VersionBitsState(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus(),
>> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SPLITPROTECTION, versionbitscache) =3D=3D
>> > THRESHOLD_LOCKED_IN &&
>> >    !IsWitnessLockedIn(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus()) &&
>> > // Segwit is not locked in
>> >    !IsWitnessEnabled(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus()) ) //
>> > and is not active.
>> > {
>> >   bool fVersionBits =3D (pindex->nVersion & VERSIONBITS_TOP_MASK) =3D=
=3D
>> > VERSIONBITS_TOP_BITS;
>> >   bool fSegbit =3D (pindex->nVersion &
>> > VersionBitsMask(chainparams.GetConsensus(),
>> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT)) !=3D 0;
>> >   if (!(fVersionBits && fSegbit)) {
>> >       return state.DoS(0, error("ConnectBlock(): relayed block must
>> > signal for segwit, please upgrade"), REJECT_INVALID, "bad-no-segwit");
>> >   }
>> > }
>> >
>> > // BIP148 mandatory segwit signalling.
>> > int64_t nMedianTimePast =3D pindex->GetMedianTimePast();
>> > if ( (nMedianTimePast >=3D 1501545600) &&  // Tue 01 Aug 2017 00:00:00=
 UTC
>> >    (nMedianTimePast <=3D 1510704000) &&  // Wed 15 Nov 2017 00:00:00 U=
TC
>> >    (!IsWitnessLockedIn(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus()) &&
>> > // Segwit is not locked in
>> >     !IsWitnessEnabled(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus())) )
>> > // and is not active.
>> > {
>> >   bool fVersionBits =3D (pindex->nVersion & VERSIONBITS_TOP_MASK) =3D=
=3D
>> > VERSIONBITS_TOP_BITS;
>> >   bool fSegbit =3D (pindex->nVersion &
>> > VersionBitsMask(chainparams.GetConsensus(),
>> > Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT)) !=3D 0;
>> >   if (!(fVersionBits && fSegbit)) {
>> >       return state.DoS(0, error("ConnectBlock(): relayed block must
>> > signal for segwit, please upgrade"), REJECT_INVALID, "bad-no-segwit");
>> >   }
>> > }
>> >
>> > >> > >> > https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0.14...jameshilliard:splitp= rotection-v0.14.1 >> > >> > =3D=3DBackwards Compatibility=3D=3D >> > >> > This deployment is compatible with the existing "segwit" bit 1 >> > deployment scheduled between midnight November 15th, 2016 and midnight >> > November 15th, 2017. This deployment is also compatible with the >> > existing BIP148 deployment. This BIP is compatible with BIP91 only if >> > BIP91 activates before it and before BIP148. Miners will need to >> > upgrade their nodes to support splitprotection otherwise they may >> > build on top of an invalid block. While this bip is active users >> > should either upgrade to splitprotection or wait for additional >> > confirmations when accepting payments. >> > >> > =3D=3DRationale=3D=3D >> > >> > Historically we have used IsSuperMajority() to activate soft forks >> > such as BIP66 which has a mandatory signalling requirement for miners >> > once activated, this ensures that miners are aware of new rules being >> > enforced. This technique can be leveraged to lower the signalling >> > threshold of a soft fork while it is in the process of being deployed >> > in a backwards compatible way. We also use a BIP8 style timeout to >> > ensure that this BIP is compatible with BIP148 and that BIP148 >> > compatible mandatory signalling activates regardless of miner >> > signalling levels. >> > >> > By orphaning non-signalling blocks during the BIP9 bit 1 "segwit" >> > deployment, this BIP can cause the existing "segwit" deployment to >> > activate without needing to release a new deployment. As we approach >> > BIP148 activation it may be desirable for a majority of miners to have >> > a method that will ensure that there is no chain split. >> > >> > =3D=3DReferences=3D=3D >> > >> > >> > *[https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-March/0= 13714.html >> > Mailing list discussion] >> > >> > *[https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.6.0/src/main.cpp#L1281-L1= 283 >> > P2SH flag day activation] >> > *[[bip-0009.mediawiki|BIP9 Version bits with timeout and delay]] >> > *[[bip-0016.mediawiki|BIP16 Pay to Script Hash]] >> > *[[bip-0091.mediawiki|BIP91 Reduced threshold Segwit MASF]] >> > *[[bip-0141.mediawiki|BIP141 Segregated Witness (Consensus layer)]] >> > *[[bip-0143.mediawiki|BIP143 Transaction Signature Verification for >> > Version 0 Witness Program]] >> > *[[bip-0147.mediawiki|BIP147 Dealing with dummy stack element >> > malleability]] >> > *[[bip-0148.mediawiki|BIP148 Mandatory activation of segwit deployment= ]] >> > *[[bip-0149.mediawiki|BIP149 Segregated Witness (second deployment)]] >> > *[https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/01/26/segwit-benefits/ Segwit >> > benefits] >> > >> > =3D=3DCopyright=3D=3D >> > >> > This document is dual licensed as BSD 3-clause, and Creative Commons >> > CC0 1.0 Universal. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > bitcoin-dev mailing list >> > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >