From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54879B19 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 22:21:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ig0-f182.google.com (mail-ig0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 014281CC for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 22:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igcur8 with SMTP id ur8so12210390igc.0 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:21:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=72ua7Aj2/6Q5t00CYM1dr6+isgITRl0a/9zDt9i7PSI=; b=SMOgCjtZuWcby0Gz/gRahBsFUq5V4sC+UwWQ5+cx+s3K5g+2ZYhaSPvRf2e/KisHXO 5fvWMbJvSBKsP+UIMDP6FwxVzBf8d9++SsaSoUZLu3eB3RleVRI1W8twyQzNaTUqV9LK fh5L1PHNj/uQLBicGXIC2aocPF/bAZeleNDKu7PJB6sjSGayLqSN1qQIfccqKUEmo9sj Ho/XVcE9BfbX7kNmEiM1fXJy3zP5YyRbSe/hRxW1aEKJUqCJLiYLo3RI+mgV9vg4Kjb1 QoGnbuXP0gaMS8CpvAg39Nsve/NjkCieFt8g2fnwA6WVOkovQtLhs47je2sR+K5KI8KP OjnQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.64.147 with SMTP id o19mr5892052igs.15.1435443694389; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.107.140 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 18:21:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: grarpamp To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,URIBL_BLACK autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Mailing List Administrivia - GPG, Archives, Breakage, TODO, mirrors, etc X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 22:21:43 -0000 On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores wrote: > If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails ... ... then you should also demand that the official archives of your favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute. On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan wrote: > Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary releases http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox" archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial, it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text, code, binary inline... that's dangerous. Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not. Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale addresses. Obfuscation is futile. This misfeature needs to be disabled. On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: > archives will be exported > and imported into the new list server On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder wrote: > I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r wrote: > Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and > mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can > provide a mirror for the mail list archives. Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt. And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote: > ... As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful... a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another example... http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment: (Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References) c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto, data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "web links" which results not only in uselessness of the so called "mbox" version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to postprocess them into usable form. Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this June alone: 418 attachment.html 106 attachment.sig 6 attachment.jpe 4 attachment.png 2 attachment.bin d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From ' in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such case is here: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet thanks you :) Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/ https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder wrote: > Regarding message footers and the subject prefix Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.