From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17735129B for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:37:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A11919F for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicfv10 with SMTP id fv10so64409222wic.0 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 02:37:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=n5ddtfadpnKJ4aXi+AbwBkzMMHSN/A5Ztf9O1GBZVws=; b=Anl9wBsBeSctHxcD63+CY71fiXe1aDQTqKR0NYUuM9Kmt3ijVWBWQAf8mqNWlQB/+W KGaodiF2d2m3V9joBZCa1HwQfIlBJ/GIO9CkvU7YTF3pikFTjfEYseeMsqYscUm7GkPh mmEkvxFh6YOjmX/nYRCoTIxQL/Khh8NbxiS5AaHz2DcXtu5AsZ1V0DHdBIHbStuHzQMA NjcC+pkzAVEPbLmSeS/7YK7b8IyJQoEgx0PrtwJs50SeSG9dQeYkbWI/xfuapv6X1Zwt sFIRhjHkpPWDzUE5SxPzpi+42yDWk/XGMNnSiCEMhQn+3IDtNB+cBLJ6auJY1m4NZp/b kNDw== X-Received: by 10.194.121.131 with SMTP id lk3mr25014386wjb.77.1441013872933; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 02:37:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.211.16 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 02:37:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <14f831c53d6-1c38-7667@webprd-a12.mail.aol.com> References: <20150831084538.399E0200EF@smtp.hushmail.com> <14f831c53d6-1c38-7667@webprd-a12.mail.aol.com> From: Btc Drak Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:37:33 +0100 Message-ID: To: hurricanewarn1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM, HK_RANDOM_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:37:55 -0000 While this topic is very interesting, I do not see how it is relevant to a mailing list dedicated to technical and academic debate. Please can you take this discussion elsewhere. On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Zach G via bitcoin-dev wrote: > When I say de-centralized I mean it, all the things you listed are > centralized. Reddit is actually a purely centralized system and just as > unhealthy as the current bitcoin forum. We have the technology, I'm simply > putting together the pieces that other people have already built. This forum > will literally be uncontrollable in raw form, once it's unleashed it can't > be stopped. It will exist on thousands of computers so it cannot be > destroyed, it will not be centrally hosted. > > I expect users to create their own external software to parse the data, so > people can centralize as much or as little as they want in their own > 'sub-forums' built on this system. I will be releasing some very rudimentary > external software/website to go along with this de-centralized system just > so people can post and read what's posted, and will worry about the finer > details at a later time. > > There will be various leaders who utilize this program and organize quality > forums, but fundamentally the raw de-centralized system cannot be > controlled, so people posting to it will always have a venue to speak > without being censored. > > I actually started this project to create a journal of uncensored scientific > research, but it didn't take long to realize this sort've thing is useful > for pretty much everyone, so I'm rushing the basic release out. Then I will > work on making my science journal 'sub-forum' software and everyone else can > do whatever they want. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NxtChg > To: hurricanewarn1 ; bitcoin-dev > > Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 4:45 am > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship > > >>I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly decentralized as I >> nor > anyone else will be able to control it. > > Zander is working on the same thing: > https://www.reddit.com/r/AetheralResearch/ > > But it's actually quite difficult > to make it truly censorship-resistant: both in solving the theymos factor > and > spam/abuse/overloading as an attack. > > >>There is no doubt that the > centralization and censorship of the Bitcoin community is massively > inhibiting > the advance of Bitcoin >>and also the growth of the Bitcoin economy. We are > scaring away intellectuals, businessman, and newbies that are just getting > started. > > We have /r/bitcoinxt and so far it has been great. But we also need > a regular forum. > > Roger Ver controls bitcoin.com, as I understand? > https://bitcoin.com/forum/ would be nice. > > And it must be a real community, > not "say whatever you want because free speech". We've seen how that turned > out > to be. > > Something like battle.net or Steam forums: heavily moderated, not for > opinions, but for spam/noise/insults. > > Again, this needs leadership. Anyone > can install a forum software, what is needed is an "official seal of > approval" > and regular presence of top XT people there. > > And a will to setup proper > moderation. Then people will move. > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >