From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [140.211.166.133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA530C0001 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C8D4314A for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:58:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp2.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T8dQd6JDKTaw for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:58:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-qt1-x82f.google.com (mail-qt1-x82f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82f]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74B6D40204 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-x82f.google.com with SMTP id j19so11784868qtx.13 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:58:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dP4DiC6raM1Qp+104qDO7qzww1tsVEMjkgyYdQsPrOM=; b=aB/dRpfVSa8+zsuxb52xFvCJrv/IFacNZ4Mv3XL1PTH1mu7sHtrQFr1k/SYiRk6OBw GJd1ltk3qZrgqzwVXQwzZ09m1F9s66pV3vwXi3whQ+ndxc9B1aF4UKXE4PpvGovmd2MN YJiHQPMhGuJz8VOtoNSSTSLc24pk2uAj36MmvlMAc5nSnXDfrmgRzXmkJPaSnfFL+DNO tCLQ3eEmVDilYPnZJ+6akIPCW/c2gHpnFwpKylQeYaxlDpZYjsTRU/cRhhd7zY9ox0GJ 3aD2KLxEpFXL/p1Ag/lHY4BbKd+0YhLgBBJAwHnZS4Iq0dKD5Pj+1BdLLCHnsliAg38I yXcQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=dP4DiC6raM1Qp+104qDO7qzww1tsVEMjkgyYdQsPrOM=; b=jw7jPTkCA9Pua6+pQ/1hNPTYBpWu1DC9bMEtSLC6iTyu+CX+YYxy96dQywSxrDGGzP +UjtJQhnzKdZOARPCtF4PhNAhJqf798Ik6a3pZdTAqSmnd5AZh3vM3JYmMEJPA/owohS WVrEAnW/YC1R1OO5GvzaQ8NPrUkRD4Ab2AA7JbWcGAW5TL5ck1JrKb1yoUmiN7sXkHeB 5RcwUF/sbbT5ns5vg/yKDtserfD+i0wi2SKKafskaddE1FCGIYI/XJ72+LUxngF69O84 j0RhG6bWhh2qCRvjS41lel6nVO/VZ7SOMIWBl0KD2BLbz+uJh0EogrlEcyPPMzMFThny nKJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532PfYSGDc1vNY5d4jwJ9mEd4da+pMxsmfAC70k/pyXNQ5i0ogV1 /lvOazRL+MiuRpfJ1grUp2H30/cFFOPQHjnla7f0cx6Vfwg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx21MaonGV8UDE/YUUJOwrcp3qqdO8jfnIhyUoZyrx2aCymKKDoDRczR4O5mVpnLH7OkM6+fJZppNSDHv5sfK8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1708:: with SMTP id h8mr4473393qtk.217.1619801895295; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:58:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210426003640.2sjx4f35l3vdtxwe@ganymede> <4def9376-03dc-3805-89ea-28bd78077084@dyne.org> In-Reply-To: <4def9376-03dc-3805-89ea-28bd78077084@dyne.org> From: Jameson Lopp Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:58:04 -0400 Message-ID: To: Amir Taaki , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000093653f05c133845e" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:58:18 -0000 --00000000000093653f05c133845e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 7:59 AM Amir Taaki via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > A committee to guide the committee? You guys truly have lost the plot. > > All the good minds and cryptographers have left Bitcoin. What remains is > an empty echo chamber. > > Truth is these problems start with lack of vision and long-term roadmap, > not with the processes themselves. > > And the Bitcoin Core monopoly created this situation; one coin, one > client, one vision. And the inevitable infighting for ultimate power. > > Really if we want to go down this route, there should be a long period > of self reflection about where the problems began rather than patching > some process and moving on. > > I propose Bitcoin Core is dissolved as the official Bitcoin project. Nonsense, as it is not the official Bitcoin project. There is no such thing. The community is free to elect their preferred version of Bitcoin. Individuals have voted with their feet and are free to continue to do so. It's anarchy, I tell you! > And most importantly, Bitcoin developers commit to a fully specced > standard that > all implementations move towards using. > Who decides the spec? Perhaps... a committee of some sort? > > On 4/28/21 12:30 AM, Jaime Caring via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > Kalle should not be made an editor by an ad-hoc process. I reiterate > > Greg's NACK. > > > > I propose that we form a stewardship committee of frequent contributors, > > including you, Greg, and 21 others. The stewards appoint a small set of > > editors with permanent oversight by the stewards. A defined process > > prevents this controversy from arising in the future and makes > > proceedings clear. > > > > My proposal has been moderated off of this list, but may be viewed here: > > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113 > > > > > > I care not for the role of initial transitory editor. I would be pleased > > should any responsible community member shoulder this onus in my stead. > > > > Peace be upon you, > > > > JC > > > > On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 00:37, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev > > > > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:42:12AM +0000, Greg Maxwell via > > bitcoin-dev wrote: > > > I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at this time. Those who > > > believe [this] will resolve the situation [...] re: PR1104 are > > > mistaken. > > > > PR1104 has been merged. Do you continue to oppose the addition? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > bitcoin-dev mailing list > > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bitcoin-dev mailing list > > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --00000000000093653f05c133845e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 7:59 AM Amir = Taaki via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
A committee to guide the commi= ttee? You guys truly have lost the plot.

All the good minds and cryptographers have left Bitcoin. What remains is an empty echo chamber.

Truth is these problems start with lack of vision and long-term roadmap, not with the processes themselves.

And the Bitcoin Core monopoly created this situation; one coin, one
client, one vision. And the inevitable infighting for ultimate power.

Really if we want to go down this route, there should be a long period
of self reflection about where the problems began rather than patching
some process and moving on.

I propose Bitcoin Core is dissolved as the official Bitcoin project.
=C2=A0
Nonsense, as it is not the official Bitcoin pr= oject. There is no such thing.

The community is free to elect their preferred ve= rsion of Bitcoin.

Individuals have voted wi= th their feet and are free to continue to do so. It's anarchy, I tell y= ou!
=C2=A0
And most=C2=A0importantly, Bitcoin developers commit to a fully specced st= andard that
all implementations move towards using.

Who decides the spec? Perhaps... a committee of some sort?
=C2=A0
=

On 4/28/21 12:30 AM, Jaime Caring via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Kalle should not be made an editor by an ad-hoc process. I reiterate > Greg's NACK.
>
> I propose that we form a stewardship committee of frequent contributor= s,
> including you, Greg, and 21 others. The stewards appoint a small set o= f
> editors with permanent oversight by the stewards. A defined process > prevents this controversy from arising in the future and makes
> proceedings clear.
>
> My proposal has been moderated off of this list, but may be viewed her= e:
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113
> <https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113><= br> >
> I care not for the role of initial transitory editor. I would be pleas= ed
> should any responsible community member shoulder this onus in my stead= .
>
> Peace be upon you,
>
> JC
>
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 00:37, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote: >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:42:12AM +0000, Greg Maxw= ell via
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bitcoin-dev wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at t= his time.=C2=A0 Those who
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> believe [this] will resolve the situation [...= ] re: PR1104 are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> mistaken.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0PR1104 has been merged.=C2=A0 Do you continue to op= pose the addition?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Dave
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