From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail.com>
To: jl2012@xbt.hk
Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] block size - pay with difficulty
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:18:56 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADm_WcbudZs6_bYfDkQ2XgqvPEMRN4ONnmz45Wz45E06bpGOrQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d15669b6ce3dbc89dff6c907a5749034@xbt.hk>
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Thanks for the link. I readily admit only having given pay-to-future-miner
a little bit of thought. Not convinced it sets a minimal tx fee in all
cases.
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, <jl2012@xbt.hk> wrote:
> Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev 於 2015-09-03 00:05 寫到:
>
>> Schemes proposing to pay with difficulty / hashpower to change block
>> size should be avoided. The miners incentive has always been fairly
>> straightforward - it is rational to deploy new hashpower as soon as
>> you can get it online. Introducing the concepts of (a) requiring
>> out-of-band collusion to change block size and/or (b) requiring miners
>> to have idle hashpower on hand to change block size are both
>> unrealistic and potentially corrosive. That potentially makes the
>> block size - and therefore fee market - too close, too sensitive to
>> the wild vagaries of the mining chip market.
>>
>> Pay-to-future-miner has neutral, forward looking incentives worth
>> researching.
>>
>>
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>
> Ref:
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010723.html
>
> I explained here why pay with difficulty is bad for everyone: miners and
> users, and described the use of OP_CLTV for pay-to-future-miner
>
> However, a general problem of pay-to-increase-block-size scheme is it
> indirectly sets a minimal tx fee, which could be difficult and arbitrary,
> and is against competition
>
>
>
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Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-03 4:05 [bitcoin-dev] block size - pay with difficulty Jeff Garzik
2015-09-03 4:55 ` jl2012
2015-09-03 14:18 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2015-09-03 18:24 ` jl2012
2015-09-03 6:57 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-09-03 14:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-09-03 14:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-09-03 17:57 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-09-03 18:23 ` Jorge Timón
2015-09-03 18:28 ` Btc Drak
2015-09-03 19:17 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-09-03 18:23 ` Tom Harding
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